Clinton: Faith Helped My Marriage »
Posted by: ameliog 1 year, 3 months agoIn a rare public discussion of her husband's infidelity, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that she probably could not have gotten through her marital troubles without relying on her faith in God.
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SlapALib1 year, 3 months ago
Yeah, faith that hanging in there with Bill Jeff would pay dividends in terms of her own personal ambition. She called that one right.
Am I too cynical? I can never tell.
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zaph221 year, 3 months ago
On this one, maybe just a bit. I think the more important thing is how shocked many of her, and of Edwards, supporters that happen to believe there is no God, will be when they find out about this. I bet most had no idea that Hilary and Edwards would ever say things like this...
""Clinton said she's "been tested in ways that are both publicly known and those that are not so well known or not known at all." She said it's those times when her personal faith and the prayers of others sustain her.
"At those moments in time when you are tested, it is absolutely essential that you be grounded in your faith," she said....
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zaph221 year, 3 months ago
Edwards revealed that he prays and sins every day. The crowd gasped loudly when moderator Soledad O'Brien asked Edwards to name the biggest sin he ever committed, and he won their applause when he said he would have a hard time naming one thing.
"I sin every single day," said Edwards, the 2004 vice presidential nominee. "We are all sinners and we all fall short.""
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NelsonR1 year, 3 months ago
zaph - Please remember, she is a politician and career politician at that. She says what needs to be said to be electable. If it was politically correct to believe in martians she would be selling martian lemon juice.
She would live with Satan if it was needed to stay in power and now we have her desire and wish, the Presidency. Again, she is a corrupt continues politician who works for Hillary. No public servant there.
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
Uhmmm faith in what, Exactly?
Faith in the knowledge that those who support her are gullible?
Faith that no one in the Dem party would question her in any way? Can't be judgmental!
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Unashamed1 year, 3 months ago
Although I dislike his name, I believe SlapALib has it right. Hillery learned when she was in Arkansas that she couldn't get anywhere without the name Clinton.
How many people know that when she first married Bill she didn't take on his name? During Bill's first term as Gov. of Ark. she went by Hillary Rodham period. After Bill lost his bid for re-election (how many know that?) she began going by Hillary Rodham Clinton.
If you ask me to cite my source for the above, I am the source. I lived in Arkansas at the time.
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zaph221 year, 3 months ago
And I'm sure I'm not the only one that noticed when she was first lady, it was Hilary RODHAM Clinton, when she ran for the
Senate it was Hilary RODHAM Clinton, but now that she's running for President it's Hilary Clinton, the RODHAM vanished from her name, of course if by some chance she is elected President I suspect the RODHAM will reappear, about the same time the Clinton disappears and we would have President Hilary Rodham and her "first man"? Bill Clinton.
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zaph221 year, 3 months ago
I don't hate Hilary, granted I don't think she'll be a good president, simply because in the past she has appeared to be driven by desire to hold that office and that power, not by a desire to serve the people of the United States, but she is by far not the only person in government that appears to care more for power than for the people they are supposed to represent, and that goes for both sides of the aisle. That very thing is being shown to us very well right now with this "immigration reform" bill that as far as I can tell most people on either side of the political fence don't want, yet we have a lot of congress people trying to tell us that it's good, and that the opposition to it amoung voters is shrinking. When it couldn't be much clearer that both parties want it passed because of the good it will do them by increaing either their voter base, or their number of businesses that contribute to their campaigns. So what I'm saying is I have complete faith in God...
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simonsez1 year, 3 months ago
Bug, she would come to the job with more baggage than any other President in history. The idea of having her in our face every day on TV for 4-8 years makes me cringe.
She triggers emotions in me that not even Pelosi can match.
I haven't forgiven her for the stuff she took from the White House last time. Do you think she would bring it back?
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ameliog1 year, 3 months ago
I posted this story out of curiosity. Is the religious right a political group influenced by their faith, or a faith group influenced by their politics? Which is the master and which is the servant?
If faith is supreme, then the Christian right will wish Mrs. Clinton well for her coming out with this testimonial of faith in her life, just as they do whenever conservative politicians declare their faith publicly or testify how God helped them through a personal crisis (Newt, DeLay, etc.).
If politics is supreme, then we'll see cynical and sarcastic comments, she'll not be given any benefit of the doubt, and her level of faith will be questioned as political opportunism. Then we'll know that God and faith take second place in their lives, after political affiliation.
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zaph221 year, 3 months ago
I've got to ask now Ed, you said "stians REALLY were a FAITH based ministry rather than an adjunct of the Republican party"
Now you can't really mean that, because if that were true, after reading this story, wouldn't that mean you think that Hilary and Edwards are really republicans because they are Christians, and Christians, in your estimation, are "an adjunct of the Republican party" or is it you are sayiing that Hilary and Edwards can't really be Christians because they are democrats?
Ok, I'm done putting words in your mouth for you, since I'm sure that although that is what logic would dictate you mush have meant, I know it isn't really what you intended, so I'll wait for you to answer in your own words now.
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zaph221 year, 3 months ago
NOt at all convoulted, you said "If Christians REALLY were a FAITH based ministry rather than an adjunct of the Republican party" and isn't a major point in this story about Hillary and Edwards being Christians? So if you are right and Christians are just an adjunct of the Republican party. So if Hillary and Edwards are Christians, and Christians are just an adjunct of the Republican party... now how hard is that to follow
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
Uhmm Carter was a "Born Again" Christian. The Fact that he was "Born Again" kinda negates "lived his faith admirably his whole life" ya think?
Skippy with his matching purple tie? Please. Thank god I'm not religious.
"I sin every single day," said Skippy, the 2004 vice presidential nominee. "We are all sinners and we all fall short." wearing a purple tie to match Sojourners' signature color
(Who the hell has a signature color, and why?),
promoted himself as the candidate most committed to the group's mission of fighting poverty.
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zaph221 year, 3 months ago
If I did what you keep doing.. "Republicans do this" "Republicans are all neo-cons".. someone what I call this group of people, or that group of people.. and I kept paintint all of them with the broad strokes you do, someone here, no idea who it would start with, but someone would be all over me for my prejucice. And if I took republican or neo-con out and replaced it with any race or nationality, you and others would be telling me what a racist I am. Yet it's ok for you to pigeon hole all conservatives, all republicans into YOUR preconceived groups, and tell us what they would be doing?
Let me just add you are blinded by your biases, or you would have noticed on a few threads we have both commented on, that I support national healthcare, yet I am a conservative, but that is because I see a common sense way to do it, that would reduce the size of government...
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mcarpentry1 year, 3 months ago
Jesus said you who have not sinned shall cast the first stone, Well? Edinbug? People that attack the Christian faith and GOD usually are hurting inside and have to blame someone for that hurt. Carter for being such a HONEST Christian sure does not stand behind the Bible which, states that anyone who stands against the chosen people(Jews) will not be accepted in Heaven.
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zaph221 year, 3 months ago
Is it not possible that until we see more than those few words from her about her faith that based on her past we have a few doubts, but at the same time think it's good that she has the faith in God that she now claims, but has not been evident in her past words or behavior? I will say this, with so many on the left, and many on the right for that matter, that don't believe in God, it took faith to openly make that statement. It's just sad that in being realistic one must wonder if it was to be honest, or if it was a political move on her part. But I hope she was sincere, all Christians should have total faith in God.
And it should also be interesting to see what effect her words here, and I do hope she was sincere, will have on those of her supporters that do not have any faith in God, or even faith that there is a God.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 3 months ago
"I posted this story out of curiosity. Is the religious right a political group influenced by their faith, or a faith group influenced by their politics? Which is the master and which is the servant?"
Your polling methodology is flawed. True religious righies are few and far in between at Nutscape. This site is a magnet for politcal junkies, so most of the responses will be from a political frame of reference
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lvrofwolves1 year, 3 months ago
InChrist, I agree, I wouldn't really consider myself a Christian, but have dear friends who are, and if it wasn't for their faith, I'm not sure how they would have managed,(death of children, parents, husband. and another both children and husband with cancer) I've always been very happy for them because even the best of friends cannot always give the comfort and strength to those who suffer so much. Not sure I'd put Hilary in that catagory, she has more or less choosen her problems,to stay with them for whatever reasons, but if she sincerely means it..great!
so your comment 'That is the power of faith' is right I think, but I question some people's motives to say 'use' that, especially politicans.
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koranagirl1 year, 3 months ago
so you're saying she chose to have an unfaithful husband? i don't think so, and i'm glad she's honest that her faith is what is sustaining her. and who doesn't have a spouse that hasn't been unfaithful a bit? i bet there's a lot of women (and men) out there who have lived through that tragedy. it's hard, but if everyone divorced over infidelity, the divorce rate would be a whole lot higher. let's face it, a brief fling is probably not worth a divorce. it's painful and difficult, but a couple should probably work through that one.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 3 months ago
We are all sinners, some worse than others.
I think what makes a good Christian or religious person is one who can admit they sin and ask God for forgiveness while learning from their mistakes (sins).
Bush is a phony Christian that goes through the motions, used religion to get elected, has no regard for family values, is a liar and a cheat.
Hillary is a sincere religious person because she stood by her husband despite his sins and has always been strong regarding family values. I know this because of personal correspondence with her when she was First Lady and working on health care issues.
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zaph221 year, 3 months ago
Sad that this makes me wonder how sincere she was actually being, instead of making me think she was truly sincer, but than because of this particular element of this story, it would give me reason to doubt any political candidate that had not mentioned this kind of thing at other times... I notice in reading the story that it was sponsered by the Sojourners/Call to Renewal evangelical organization. I wish this made me think she was sincere, but politics being what they are in the US today, it makes me wonder if she, and Edwards, and any other politicians that were there saying the same type of thing, and I'd have the same view for most republicans, but since it was sponsered by the Sojourners/Call to Renewal evangelical organization, it makes me wonder a bit if it was said to make the message fit that audience
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ameliog1 year, 3 months ago
Public demonstrations of faith are not necessarily good things, as Jesus took issue with the religious/political leaders of his day for looking the part on the outside but were corrupt on the inside. Some are sincere, but when politicians are forced to meet our particular religious criteria then politics takes precedence over faith. This is why you may not have heard more open statements from politicians - they can still hold sincere beliefs even if they don't let us in on them.
Is Hillary sincere? God only knows, but I would hope those who profess to be fellow believers would show her the same grace and charity for her professed beliefs that they do with other public leaders on their team. To act otherwise is playing political games with religion.
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NelsonR1 year, 3 months ago
I said it above but it will get lost in the shuffle. Hillary is a career politician who will say anything to appease the electorate. If the wind was blowing from the West but the electorate wanted an Easterly flow, she would appease them by telling them the wind is Easterly and if not, it will be so.
She would live with anyone if it led to the continuation of her career with the presidency as the goal.
New blood in Washington D.C. is needed, unless you condone what this city has stood for in many years?
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ameliog1 year, 3 months ago
So God revealed to you what's in her heart as it applies to this story? Since you're on equal footing ability-wise with the creator, did he give you any inside information on Bush, Giuliani, Romney, or Gingrich, or is revelation restricted to Democrats? I haven't read all your comments so am trying to determine your level of objectivity. As for saying anything to get elected...is Hillary suddenly alone in this regard - did politics in America change this morning and no one sent the memo telling the rest of us?
Sorry for the sarcasm, it isn't meant to be harsh, just meant to separate statements of opinion from statements of fact and to re-state that God alone knows people's true motives. I realize you were merely stating opinions.
Anyone can make the cup look good on the outside, even your favorite political actors. You have no idea what's on the inside.
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texangelwings1 year, 3 months ago
With the public humiliation that Hillary & her daughter experienced, it took alot of faith and prayers.
Our faith does get tested each day of our lives. With prayers and faith knowing that God will guide us through what ever trial we are faced with in our lives.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 3 months ago
Oh well, she is still the best candidate, even if she has to pretend she believes in God to get the moderate republican vote.
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joeeddie1 year, 3 months ago
I just hope a lot of left wing extremists don't start calling her names because she has professed a faith in God. I would hate to see them accuse her of believing the earth is 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs walked the earth with man.
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momydearestc1 year, 3 months ago
Faith and a democrat, now thats funny. The only faith she had was the faith that her husband wouldn't get caught. Its their dirty little secret, he can fool around and she can fool around, just dont let the public find out. Hillary has kept her sexuality hidden pretty good. But lately her gay side is showing. But, just infront of the left wing nuts. To anyone else she got "FAITH"..ha.....nice try Hill.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 3 months ago
http://www.princeton.edu/evolution/
Evolution is the core concept in biology, tying together findings from all biological disciplines into a coherent picture of the history of life on earth. The study of evolution is thus a broad and deep discipline, encompassing the study of molecules and the origins of life, the causes and consequences of mass extinctions, the structure, function and evolution of genomes and, of course, the evolution of organismal behavior and appearance.
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MetalNun1 year, 3 months ago
Ricky, my friend, I am kind of surprised that I must be the one to break this news to you, but in case you had not heard: Not all Christians believe that the earth was made in 6 days several thousand years ago. In fact a great many Christians have no problem with science per se. Hillary could indeed be praying over her wayward husband even if she did in fact have no quarrel with the theory of evolution.
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koranagirl1 year, 3 months ago
boy are you cynical! if Hillary says she has faith and she worked though what happened between her and her husband, that should be enough. and if you have proof of her "gay thing", then go for it, but there are plenty of "gay rumors" about bush too, and all sorts of stuff that most reputable journalists won't repeat. just cuz the tabloids publish it, it doesn't make it a real story. i read the tabloids about the bush marriage, but i'm not about to go there.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 3 months ago
Zaph, if you spell Hilliary wrong one more time I will become a Neocon! There are 2 L L L LL LLLs in Hilllliary.
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protestantchaplain1 year, 3 months ago
Faith in God, should be as natural as breathing air and drinking water. The shame of this country has become that we have so many people who seem to have no idea of the impact of faith and religion on everything that goes on in our society and in our world. It seems to me that the troubled people are those who say they don't believe in God and try to discourage others from speaking openly about Him. My opinion is that if you've been taught not to publicly talk about God, most likely, you've been taught wrong!
I hope that the Democratic candidates, as well as the Republicans, understand that it is not just a matter of gaining votes, but rather it's a matter of understanding that no nation or individual can govern effectively without God. Agree or disagree, in the case of people in America, God still most often manifests Himself in the person of Jesus Christ!
God bless the candidates, America and the world. We're going to need His love and blessings!
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hoppy1 year, 3 months ago
Please Hillary, don't make me laugh.What are you going to find under that rug in the oval office? Monica' DNA of course. Especially after watching the Republician debate on tv. I just love what hypocrite John Edwards answers on religion. He is a devout evolutionist and in the same breath says he believes in God. Maybe he prayed for that twenty million dollar mantion he is building.A grand gift of Darwin. LOL
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MetalNun1 year, 3 months ago
I don't necessarily agree with Hillary on political matters, but it bothers me that people are using this opportunity to attack her spirituality. Only God knows her heart, or anybody's heart for that matter, and I find it particularly offensive that some folks are essentially saying if she is a democrat she must not be a Christian. Like somebody said in a previous post, above, we are not the judge of other peoples' faith. I've been in that position too many times myself ("You must not be a Christian if you're into metal/ if you're pro-choice/ if you drink alcohol...") Anyway I am inclined to think she IS sincere about this, because I can only imagine what it must have been like being married to Bill Clinton and all the scandal they went through being in the public eye, etc., surely anyone would be praying for strength at a time like that.
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texangelwings1 year, 3 months ago
I wanted to share a html that I received by email today, it is off subject of Hillary, but it is good.
http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/viewmovie.html
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zaph221 year, 3 months ago
welcome to the right Ricky, just wish you had become s conservative like the large majority of us are, but if you want to continue your radical rants, ok, continue to be as radical as you've always been here, and call yourself a neocon, you won't fit in with 99% of us conservatives that way either, but at least you'll be at a better starting point to get things right, and btw, did you know HilLary started as a republican, and was even big in the YOUNG Republicans when she first got into politics? So welcome to Hilary's original starting point, at least she had the right idea at one time.
oh, and Ricky, may God bless you in all you do, and watch over you always.
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