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HARTFORD, Conn. - Sen. Barack Obama told a church convention Saturday that some right-wing evangelical leaders have exploited and politicized religious beliefs in an effort to sow division.

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ProudBlueTexan1 year, 3 months ago

Obama needn't be so euphemistic in his discussion. The time is past to elevate reason above religion, as the founding fathers intended.
Never forget, freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.
I'll take the Constitution over the Bible any day.
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  Neophile1 year, 3 months ago
  
  Interesting speech. You can watch it in full here (Windows Media):
  http://www.uccforums.com/files/obama.wmv
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    RickyDawkins1 year, 3 months ago
    
    Here is the Clinton Soprano's Spoof...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shKJk3Rph0E
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  goodgrief1 year, 3 months ago
  
  Religion exploits what divides us, eh? Now here's a case of (you should pardon the expression) the pot calling the kettle black. Nobody exploits our differences as loudly or to a more fine degree than our congressmen and senators. They tell every group and minority of us that they're special, that the deserve something extra. Then they exacerbate it with cash.
  Even worse, they take rights from one group and bestow them upon another.
  What religion does is surface clutter the the overwhelming divisiveness institutionalized by these self-serving a--holes.
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    libsRfunny1 year, 3 months ago
    
    Obama also is ignoring the religious left, which is way active in sowing differences. Look no further than the "reverends" Jackson and Sharpton for proof.
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      mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
      
      Gee...I had a feeling I wouldn't have to read far into this thread before some wingnut trotted out Jackson or Sharpton and libsr, you didn't disappoint. Well, at least you neoclowns still have Ted Haggard to look up to. Oh, wait...He's in "rehab" trying to rid himself of his homo feelings. Nevermind.
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    jaern1 year, 3 months ago
    
    WWJD? He wouldn't be a politician that's for sure!
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  mossback1 year, 3 months ago
  
  Where do you come up with that drivel "The time is past to elevate reason above religion, as the founding fathers intended" -- if you can find any of their writings that indicate that a majority of them thought that, I would love to see your source. Given that the overwhelming majority of the drafters of the Constitution were protestant Christians, what you just said is a lie at best, and divisive evil at worst. Get a grip, Obama, like most Democrats, is trying to find a way to keep his past as a non-believer out of the spotlight so he can hoodwink Christians into voting for him. Remember when Billy Clinton carried the bible during his Impeachment trial. He doesn't carry it any more does he? Obama is a half-Moslem who wants America to trust him like he was a Christian like them. It's just left-wing politics as usual.
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    badnootka1 year, 3 months ago
    
    Seperation of church aND STATE has always been accepted as a valid goal of the founding fathers. Just because they did not write the words down does not dismiss the premise. YOu are obviously a religious individual who feels that ou religious leaders could be more effective than our current political leaders. WHile for the most part I think that is true, religious leaders tend to be intolerant of any other religious movement and do not seem to be able to get beyond this. FOr that reason, and the fact tha t religion is inherently intolerant, religious leaders would force their dogma on the populace and you know, that's not how a democracy works. Do we want to be a fundamentalist christian country with an agenda to convert the world. We already have those religious leaders howing the way in the Islamic world. And we can all see where that is leading and where it has been.
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      mossback1 year, 3 months ago
      
      Obviously if the words "separation of church and state" were not written down, there was a reason for it. The only thing in writing is the Establishment Clause. We have no written documents indicating that separation of church and state was a goal of the founding fathers. The right to practice as an individual sees fit was a goal. Furthermore, at a basic level, 'religion' is neither tolerant nor intolerant, individuals alone can have that attribute. Tolerance is actually quite common among Christians, but tolerance is not acceptance. Too many secularists want to force Christians to accept all forms of murder and perversion not just tolerate them. As a Christian, all I want is to be able to practice my faith as openly as society allows other to practice theirs including the right to preach clearly that God is not tolerant of sin. He is forgiving, but only when the sinner repents of the sin. Secularists (including Obama) don't want to hear that, hence this stupidity from Obama.
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        jordan111 year, 3 months ago
        
        "Obviously, if the words "separation of church and state" were not written down">>>>>
        They WERE written down.
        "Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government" James Madison
        You are doing what Madison warned against. You have to know the historical background of the Constitution to understand it. That means you must study.
        
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        mossback1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Jefferson, the liberals only founding father, wrote them in a letter. They gained no traction within the rest of those drafting the Constitution. Those words are a footnote in history, beloved by liberals, but not part of the reality of the Constitution. I suggest you study something other than the liberal dogma you love so much.
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        deathray1 year, 3 months ago
        
        You're incorrect:
        "We ought therefore to suspect that a great mass of information respecting the Bible, and the introduction of it into the world, has been suppressed by the united tyranny of Church and State, for the purpose of keeping people in ignorance, and which ought to be known."
        - Thomas Paine
        "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries."
        - James Madison
        There you go.
        
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        mossback1 year, 3 months ago
        
        The first quote is part of a much longer discourse that touches on the need for universal theological education in America so that the ignorance brought about by the Roman church could be dispersed. The second was written in support of the Establishment Clause, not about the removal of Christians from public life which is what it has become.
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    jaern1 year, 3 months ago
    
    Obama, like most Democrats, is trying to find a way to keep his past as a non-believer out of the spotlight so he can hoodwink Christians into voting for him.
    You mean like coke-snorting DUI George W. Bush did in 2000? Or does your type of Christian only forgive those of white persuasion?
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      slate1 year, 3 months ago
      
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      Wow you've nava saw a black Christian or something? I just love those that always want to say 'yeah but you're a racist' as a debating tool. Weak very weak way to debate. If the 'black' candidate wants to stand up and pontificate; as with every politician 'everyone' can comment.
      You're argument is as silly as saying that a white politician can't be disagreed with by a minority, and if they do they are racists because they have a different color skin. Is this the direction this country is going these days?
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      mossback1 year, 3 months ago
      
      God forgives all who repent. Obama wasn't able to make a clear statement of faith (which includes repentance for sin) during the debates -- he tried to hedge. Either you are a believer or you aren't -- obviously race has nothing to do with it, but character does. Obama has yet to make a statement of faith that correpsonds with the stated precepts of protestant Christianity. He is right in line with people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who claim to be ministers but have no congregation, no seminary training, and only self-ordination. And per your love of Bush, clearly God must have liked him more than Gore too. I notice he won twice. And people certainly had a choice didn't they?
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        ZippySpincycle1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Mossback writes, "God forgives all who repent. Obama wasn't able to make a clear statement of faith (which includes repentance for sin) during the debates."
        Good thing we're voting for President of the United States, then, and not for Archbishop.
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    ZippySpincycle1 year, 3 months ago
    
    Quoth Mossback: "Obama is a half-Moslem who wants America to trust him like he was a Christian like them." A half-Moslem? Are you saying that religion is hereditary, and not a matter of faith? In that case, why to Christians seek converts?
    Gee...my father was a Baptist and my mother was Catholic; they raised me in the Catholic church, but in college I became a Unitarian (i.e., a believer in the universal spiritual value of coffee). My ex is Jewish, and we've raised our son to ask his own questions. So...should my kiddo describe himself by his genetic religious heritage, or according to what he BELIEVES?
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      mossback1 year, 3 months ago
      
      Sorry, but Unitarians aren't Christians. If you are a Unitarian you aren't a Christian. You are completely different. If that is what you want, fine, but don't try to claim something you aren't. Obama is a classic non-believer who tries to use his cultural religious background to persuade those who are unsure of their faith to vote for him. Sorry, but if you are a Christian, you can't be Muslim also and he tries to play both sides of that fence. Obama isn't a committed Christian and committment is everything in life.
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        ZippySpincycle1 year, 3 months ago
        
        I never said I was a Christian. My point is that since I was "born" a Catholic and no longer consider myself a Catholic, it would be as pointless to describe me as a Catholic as it is to describe Obama as a "half-Moslem"--and as I note elsewhere, Obama's father was himself a non-practicing Muslim, so Obama is no Uslim at all. Obama himself has never been a Muslim, never claimed to be a Muslim, and has belonged to the United Church of Christ since the 1980s. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
        Obama and I have taken opposite paths--I left Christianity, and from a largely secular background, he joined the United Church of Christ (Or are you claiming that the entite UCC is non-Christian?).
        Will you at least agree that calling Obama a "half-Moslem" is inaccurate? If not, what on earth do you mean by "half-Moslem"?
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        mossback1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Obama does not appear (from the interviews I have read and the speeches I have heard) to be a Christian. Like many people raised in this country, he is a cultural Christian with the vocabulary of a Christian but without the professing or confessing believer. The term half-moslem is simply the counterpart of a "cultural Christian." Obama was born into a family where the mother was a nominal Christian and the father was a muslim. Muslim culture had an impact on Obama and it appears to play out in his inability to state what it is he believes. It doesn't matter at one level, but when Obama, an obvious non-Christian, starts making comments about the Christian Church (a fractious and undivided lot anyway) being hijacked, it is time to run the "BS" flag up the pole. How he could think that anyone could hijack 137 different deonominations is beyond belief. He simply doesn't speak from any knowledge, it is just a polticial statement against Christians.
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        ZippySpincycle1 year, 3 months ago
        
        So basically, despite Obama's own statements about his beliefs (and his membership in the United Church of Christ), you're essentially saying that he's not the "right kind" of Christian, as far as you assess whether people are sufficiently Christian. I don't suppose you bothered reading the link I provided, either.
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        questionseverything1 year, 3 months ago
        
        mossback thats not for u to judge
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        mossback1 year, 3 months ago
        
        I am not excluding them, they exclude themselves. Christians by definition believe certain things about Christ. They are in the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed and are accepted by all Christian churches. The Unitarians no longer hold with many aspects of those creeds. They can think what they want, it really doesn't matter, but as far as any objective standards go, Unitarians are a branch of faith unto themselves. Again, that is their choice and if they find satisfaction in that, it doesn't matter. It only matters if they try to claim something that they aren't.
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    mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
    
    "Obama, like most Democrats, is trying to find a way to keep his past as a non-believer out of the spotlight so he can hoodwink Christians into voting for him."
    I guess wingnuts can feel proud that their frontrunners are serial adulterers with multiple marriages among them rather than a "non-believer" like Obama, eh?
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  hoppy1 year, 3 months ago
  
  LOL....?ROTF
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TimALoftis1 year, 3 months ago

"There was even a time when the Christian Coalition determined that its number one legislative priority was tax cuts for the rich," Obama said. "I don't know what Bible they're reading, but it doesn't jibe with my version."
Amen, Obama
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  TimALoftis1 year, 3 months ago
  
  Other quotes from today's speech;
  'But I'm hopeful because I think there's an awakening taking place in America. People are coming together around a simple truth Ã;Â¢;; that we are all connected, that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper. And that it's not enough to just believe this we have to do our part to make it a reality.
  We all have it within our power to make this a better world. Because we all have the capacity to... to rise above what divides us and come together to meet those challenges we can't meet alone.
  ...So let's rededicate ourselves to a new kind of politics a politics of conscience... If we can embrace a common destiny then I believe we'll not just help bring about a more hopeful day in America, we'll not just be caring for our own souls, we'll be doing God's work here on Earth'.
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    CatholicRedneck1 year, 3 months ago
    
    "...that we are all connected, that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper. And that it's not enough to just believe this, we have to do our part to make it a reality." So Obama opposes abortion? Or does he prefer to forget about being his brother's keeper in that instance?
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      badnootka1 year, 3 months ago
      
      Did not see anything about abortion. THis is obviously your particular mission. No interested. Like most americans, stay out of my life. Unless you are prepared to take in unwanted babies addicted to crack and the like then leave me alone. YOu expect too much from people. We are selfish and it is all about ME> Humans are just another animal albeit somewhat thinking. What made humans the chosen animal. THe fact that we can to some extent: reason? No. Humans made humans the chosen. Humans wrote tests/books/essays to prove that they were the chosen. Not one tangible thread of evidence has ever been found to prove that god exists. THat's why it is called faith.
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      mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
      
      But Catholic, why is it that those on the right want to be their brother's keeper when it comes to abortion but when they are expected to be their brother's keeper in ways which involve self-sacrifice, their enthusiasm for helping vanishes? I guess it's just easier to play sex police than it is to adopt an orphan or fight for healthcare for our country's 9 million uninsured children.
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      hoppy1 year, 3 months ago
      
      BoooHooo,Sob,sob,sob
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    goodgrief1 year, 3 months ago
    
    Good luck. You'll never find even one politician capable of "a new kind of politics".
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    libsRfunny1 year, 3 months ago
    
    Obama is a goofball. That's all there is to it.
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      jordan111 year, 3 months ago
      
      Obama is a goofball. That's all there is to it.>>>>>
      Translation of above comment: 'It's easier to put people down than to educate myself.'
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        hoppy1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Ossama is still A Goof Ball lol
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  consareidiots1 year, 3 months ago
  
  I can understand your feelings since you are a supporter (appeaser)of the present administration. Who do you think you're kidding.
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    consareidiots1 year, 3 months ago
    
    Observations of you comments. Idiot.
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  jordan111 year, 3 months ago
  
  I don't have any reason to believe Obama is any more truthful or ethical than Pat Robertson and his ilk.>>>>
  Yes you do. You have his past. He didn't preach hate. He didn't buy diamond mines. He didn't aspire to be a billionaire. Matter of fact, he turned down a lucrative job to work with the poor in Chicago. He has lived what he talks about; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
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    jordan111 year, 3 months ago
    
    Oh, I see. A man living a good and contributory life is 'altruism', so that's bad. So what you're saying, is you think being an *ss is a good thing. Well, I'll bet you voted for the right person in 2004 then.
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      lvrofwolves1 year, 3 months ago
      
      at this point in time, I would understand anyone mistrust of politicans. Not saying any info now is right or wrong, and some may deserve trust, but politicans should understand how our faith has been ruined, especially with this last fiasco, they will really need to prove themselves. But that will be a good thing in the end.
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        jordan111 year, 3 months ago
        
        I also can understand 'mistrust.' But if how a man has lived his life doesn't do it for a person, nothing will. There's nothing left to evaluate with, & if that's not good enough, then there's no point in voting for anyone.
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        lvrofwolves1 year, 3 months ago
        
        I'm just saying, it will probably take some time to rebuild trust that has been destroyed lately with politicans. I hope we can recognize a good one when we see them. Look how many people had faith and trust in Bush/Cheney and all the rest of this administration- now how many of those are so disillusioned, and rightfully so. I'm not saying there are a few out there that deserve credit for doing good things in the past, but because of all the bad apples lately, those good will have to work harder to prove themselves.
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        lvrofwolves1 year, 3 months ago
        
        sorry -I meant to say I'm sure there are some out there that deserve credit!
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        goodgrief1 year, 3 months ago
        
        NONE deserve trust. Or respect.
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        jordan111 year, 3 months ago
        
        NONE deserve trust. Or respect.>>>>
        Do you?
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      libsRfunny1 year, 3 months ago
      
      If you think he's altruistic, how'd he make so much money and gotten so involved in sleazy Illinois politics as a state senator.
      http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi...
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      goodgrief1 year, 3 months ago
      
      Yes, indeed. Obama is definitely a man who know much about "contribtutions"
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    goodgrief1 year, 3 months ago
    
    He merely belongs to a black separatist church.
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  Daylight1 year, 3 months ago
  
  OS2x
  I don't have any reason to believe Obama is any more truthful or ethical than Pat Robertson and his ilk.
  Both have their selfish goals which are not good for all Americans.
  Hey you can vote for Olmert, he is a good candidate for America, check it out, if he has American citizenship.
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  scriblerus11 year, 3 months ago
  
  The Christian Coalition is a bunch of wolves wearing sheeps' clothing, money-changers masquerading as Christians.
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    bubba21 year, 3 months ago
    
    You said it ... Ralph Reed is a prime example. Reed was neck-deep in the Abramoff workings, playing the Native American tribes for suckers and bragging about it in their emails. Now you don't hear much about Ralph anymore ...
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    elzorro21621 year, 3 months ago
    
    That's right, scriblerus1!
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  ETproductions1 year, 3 months ago
  
  Real welfare reform in our time. Welfare for the rich. What. exactly is new about that? I though it was introduced by the Pharaohs 5,000 years ago and perfected by the Roman Empire.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 3 months ago

Interesting reading:
Politicization of Religion by UCC?
http://www.ourfaithourvote.org/site/c.hrKRI1PCI...
http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2004/12/tip_church...
An interesting site by UCCers:
http://www.ucctruths.com/

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  Beau78901 year, 3 months ago
  
  So just to be clear, you believe that the cost of all government services, regardless of who benefits most from them, and regardless of need, should be paid for equally by all? And that the Bible backs you up on that?
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      Beau78901 year, 3 months ago
      
      I'm not talking about social services. I'm talking about services the government provides that wouldn't exist in a useful form if left to private businesses or charities.
      The government builds roads, gives small business loans, sometimes bails out larger ones, requires administrators to regulate food, drugs, etc. for safety. It hands out much more in contracts to businesses than it spends on social service programs alone. And many of these are unavailable to benefit the vast majority of citizens.
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      consareidiots1 year, 3 months ago
      
      Hey cat, with the spending of this administration, 10% would be like paying 10 dollars a month on a $400,000 mortgage. we're going in the hole more every month.
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        Daylight1 year, 3 months ago
        
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        Hey, Jesus wanted you to give everything to the poor and follow him if you wanted eternal life. Pay Caesar what is Caesar's, you should read the context of that statement.
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        Sideways_281 year, 3 months ago
        
        maybe you should re-read the text, that was the rich man he told to do that, because he knew the rich man loved his money more than he loved god. although some could argue that most people in this country are rich compared to the world standards. and i would argue that most of them care more about there money or their status than they do about truly christian ideals.
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    goodgrief1 year, 3 months ago
    
    It does, indeed, back him up. Just as catstevens quoted.
    And just who does benefit most from government services, hmmm?
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      Beau78901 year, 3 months ago
      
      Who benefits most from government services? I'd argue that the largest amount of money spent by the government is given to those who already have money and power. Who can best afford lobbyists to influence legislation? Who do the earmarks benefit? Which businesses are propped up by subsidies from the government?
      If you'd like to say that the poor are the recipients of most government money, let's hear some justification for that.
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  Neophile1 year, 3 months ago
  
  The "Render unto Caesar..." quote is highly interpretive. You've given us a good example of how it can be hijacked to ultimately divide people, which is what Obama was referring to.
  The rich should pay more taxes than the poor.
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      questionseverything1 year, 3 months ago
      
      actually i think what he meant was,when u take care of the least of them u take care of me(Jesus)....and that neocon tax cuts that help the filthy rich while children go hungry might mean the right dont believe in taking care of the least of them
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        Sideways_281 year, 3 months ago
        
        it is not the governments place to hijack my dollar and give it to anyone. it is my place to put it where it belongs. todays welfare creates more welfare because there is no accountability, and more than that the one who holds the job of overseeing the money wants more on the roles so that he or she has job security. and like it or not the rich are the ones who pay the salaries in this country, if you dig too deep in their pocket they will haul those jobs overseas.
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        mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
        
        "it is not the governments place to hijack my dollar and give it to anyone."
        You mean it's not the government's place unless it's hijacking your dollars and dispensing them wildy by the ton-pallet in Iraq or in billions of dollars worth of "subsidies" to Big Oil and other industries raking in record billions in profits, right? Sounds like you've really got your priorties in perspective there...
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      pismo1 year, 3 months ago
      
      What the heck does God need with taxes? Oh yeah it's to build mutimillion dollar churches and flaunt it all over television.
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    goodgrief1 year, 3 months ago
    
    The rich do pay more taxes than the poor. Even without the tax cuts. And there's not much room for interpretation in that quote. While Jesus was trying to avoid saying something the Parisees could use against him, he was also saying give the government it's due.
    And what is it with this tax cuts for the rich crap? don't you realize if you're married that an income of 100k (even with both incomes combined) puts you in the "rich" category where the tax codes are concerned?
    I can't believe I'm agreeing with a guy named catstevens
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    slate1 year, 3 months ago
    
    And the rich do pay more taxes than the poor Neo. The top 1% of earners pay 20% of the taxes. They pay at the top of the sliding scale % wise.
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      Neophile1 year, 3 months ago
      
      I realize that. As well they should.
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        slate1 year, 3 months ago
        
        How are taxes for the rich structured in your country?
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        Neophile1 year, 3 months ago
        
        If you're referring to income tax brackets, you can see Canada's here:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_bracket#Tax_br...
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  bubba21 year, 3 months ago
  
  The quote about paying to Caesar what is Caesar's was Jesus way of telling the Pharisees that they would not trap him into any sort of involvement in civil government.
  The Pharisees were trying to get Jesus to say anything that they could "use against him" to "get him out of the way" because they were AFRAID of Jesus. They thought that they could accuse Jesus of condoning the Romans' control over the Jews (by saying they had to pay taxes) or that they could accuse him of violating Roman law and get him arrested (by saying they should not pay taxes).
  They didn't want to be "outdone" by Jesus and have the Jews turn away from them, because then they would lose control of Jews.
  The Pharisees were pompous and greedy and power-hungry. Jesus saw right through them. If you will notice, the ONLY people Jesus ever criticized - aside from the moneychangers in the Temple - where the Pharisees, the (supposed) Religious leaders of his day.
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  bubba21 year, 3 months ago
  
  In other words, what Jesus said has NOTHING to do with "tithing" or with paying taxes at all.
  Thus that bible passage is irrelevant 21st century civil government tax collection and the inequities of the system.
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  jordan111 year, 3 months ago
  
  Maybe the Christian Coalition wanted tax cuts for the rich because it is clear the rich are paying more in taxes than the poor.>>>>>
  http://www.zompist.com/richtax.htm
  Nothing is black or white.
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  Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
  
  The gospel says also that it is easier for a rope to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
  What do you suppose that says about those whose #1 goal is to accumulate wealth?
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    ETproductions1 year, 3 months ago
    
    This has been translated using many current words, but the meaning is pretty clear and not at all lost in the translaton offered by Natureboy.
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    Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
    
    http://www.eyeoftheneedle.net/Church Traditions...
    "The Aramaic word gamla means camel, a large rope and a beam. The meaning of the word is determined by its context. If the word riding or burden occurs then gamla means a camel, but when the eye of a needle is mentioned gamla more correctly means a rope. There is no connection anywhere in Aramaic speech or literature between camel and needle, but there is a definite connection between rope and needle."
    
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  Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
  
  "Pay Caesar what is Caesar's". Not anymore and not any less, just because your rich."
  If you have any scriptural basis for saying that Jesus argued for a flat tax, share it with us. Otherwise, STFU.
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    ETproductions1 year, 3 months ago
    
    If your concept of Jesus is that he argued for the rich to get richer at the expense of the poor, then I would love to know what translation of the Bible you are reading.
    Fact, under current tax law, the wealthiest 1/2 of 1 percent of Americans have doubled the amount of this nation's wealth they hold in the last 25 years. This in a nation that's over 300 years old.
    If you are among that blessed-by-government 0.5%, then you are just looking out for your own interest in interpreting scripture as saying Jesus argued for a flat tax. If you are part of the 99.5% who aren't blessed-by-government, then you are not only lousy at interpreting scripture, you're not too bright when it comes to looking out for yourself either.
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  badnootka1 year, 3 months ago
  
  And why should the rich not pay more taxes than the poor? Let's keep this in perspective. Or is it that rich people are more valuable to society. Taxes should be assesed based on the amount of money you make. Not on the amount of income you can hide or defer.
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scott42611 year, 3 months ago

{sigh!} I knew this was coming....
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not2needy1 year, 3 months ago

LOL, Well that's one way to put it!!
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Amazing11 year, 3 months ago

I wonder where in the Bible it defines what is Caesar's. I think that might be a whole discussion all by itself.
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consareidiots1 year, 3 months ago

You're right OS2x, those that use religion to boost their personal gain has prostituted their religion. Keep in mind that Bush has stated that God told him to invade.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/...
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  jordan111 year, 3 months ago
  
  He's right. But his team>>>>>
  How the h*ll do you get that they're "his team?"
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    jordan111 year, 3 months ago
    
    What does that word mean to you?
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      consareidiots1 year, 3 months ago
      
      jordan11
      OS2x is using racial reference when he used "his team (Jesse, Sharpton) and tries to spin it as I specifically meant liberal. What an idiot.
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