Don't 'debate' creationists! »
Posted by: RickyDawkins 1 year, 2 months ago777 Comments Report this Story
Today the United States is being confronted with large numbers of scientifically ignorant, politically active Christians who are locked into ultra-religious, anti-scientific views and who want to force these views on others through our elected officials, our courts, and our schools. Creationists can generate lies more quickly than you can refute.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 2 months ago
A scientist, Charles L. Rulon, debated an ID creationist, and here are the opening remarks he gave to justify joining in the debate.
**It pits oratory against science in a venue where you'll be judged on your rhetoric.
**It gives publicity to creationists.
**Creationists can generate more lies more quickly than you can refute.
**Debates give equal time to two sides, falsely elevating creationist trivia to equality with scientific substance.
**The debates are often used to recruit members to fundamentalist Christian organizations.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/07/dont...
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UBCONFUSE1 year, 2 months ago
The religious right is way off base, but predictably on their mark. They will fail and I have faith in the Supreme Court coming down on the side of religious views being excluded from public schools. Belief in God, either way, is not going away.
In the evolution of mankind and the fauna of our little planet, it is very obvious that man created God and not the other way around.
However, the argument for an all knowing, all loving, all powerful God is so compelling, even I wish it were true. The Church is not God but the Church in the right hands has done so many good things for less the fortunate and all the Church wants in return is to tell you about God or Jesus. If you buy into it, OK, it not, OK.
However, the State should never cross the line of endorsing any religion.
You are right about getting caught in the middle of this debate, there is no end to arguments on either side. The best approach is to stay on the side line, but thanks for the article.
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scriblerus11 year, 2 months ago
Rulon points out a sort of law of rhetoric, which really should be obvious: Who wins a debate depends a great deal MORE on the audience than on the skills of the debaters. The results of the 2004 presidential elections are a good example of the principle. To my mind--that of a 20-plus year teacher of rhetoric--John Kerry won the Kerry-Bush debates hands down. But much of the rest of the country felt otherwise.
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Goppy1 year, 2 months ago
I agrees scrib. The audience is the key. Theres millions of Americans who watch them debates to figgure out what a candidate stands for.
But theres millions more of us Christian Conservativees who knew goin inta that Bush/Kerry debate that we supported Bush - on accounta Bush is born again. Shure, Kerry claimed he was a Christian. But we evangelicals dont consider Catholics to be ture Christian - plus, Kerry dint go on an on bout how Jesus was his personal savior.
When Goerge advertised his borned again-ness, thats a free ticket in our books. Ifn you tells everyone that you are born again - ever chance you get, then we Christian Conservatives will support you till armegeddon.
And the way Bush and Cheney be leadin the nation, armageddin could be here sooner than anybody expected. God bless em!
Ahhh, the Rapture doth come.
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CrazyRay1 year, 2 months ago
Just avoid people like this:
http://objectiveministries.org/creation/
...for your own sanity, that is.
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mark-stevens1 year, 2 months ago
What I find most interesting is the ministers and scientists are both just guessing. Neither have enough facts or proof that would hold up in court.
Evolution and the human body makes no sense. Think on how complex it is for humans to reproduce... If Lilith/Eve was an after thought how did we get a reproductive system??
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lvrofwolves1 year, 2 months ago
If God created everything, why can't people just magically appear? why do we even need more people? I'm thinking a flies reproduction is just as complex as a humans, if not more so. In reproduction comes things evolving. Not everything,some species just die out.
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acts02381 year, 2 months ago
RickyDawkins blog is sincerely written and sincerely wrong. RD exposes a vast ignorance of many claims the Bible makes about the Earth being in existence long before Genesis account of Adam and Eve. The Bible states: "My people perish for lack of knowledge". It appears people outside the Faith also perish in ignorance. The Bible is quite plain to those "who will study to show themselves approved" the Earth was inhabited and flourished with life then was destroyed and "Re-created in Genesis Chapter 1. Please pick up a Strong's Concordance and begin studying and you will discover a wealth of astonishing truth and facts that science continues to uncover. Scientist did core sampling at the Polar Regions and found the Polar Regions was covered in subtropical foliage. They scratch their collective heads as to how and when! Go to the Bible... God's Word it tells you how and a little due diligence will uncover when, and it was before Genesis account of recreation.
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Jaydee401 year, 2 months ago
The idea of a judgment day was a tool used by tribes to control people to live by selected rules so that society would not turn into a battle of the strongest to survive. It is much like the fairy tales used on our children to stop them from talking to strangers or taking treats that lead to their destruction. I believe only in the ability of human kind and our own abilities to create or destroy, that battle exists in us every day and it up to us to do what is wright, not god or satan or even the boogie man. When I am dead the people that knew me will judge if my life was good and worth while, not some useless deity created to put fear it mankind and lead the weak like sheep.
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PapaWolf1 year, 2 months ago
>>If I am going to be in error on this issue, I'd rather it be on the side that God does exis
I think that's your, and many "Creationists", main problem. Apparently, you can't accept the idea that evolution & creationism/intelligent design can co-exist.
I absolutely believe that God created the heavens & the earth. But that is my FAITH, or philosophy.
I ALSO believe that things evolve & mutate. That's my scientific belief based on the available science.
The 2 are NOT mutually exclusive, like most fundamentalist creationists seem to believe. The difference is that one is a philosophy while the other is a science.
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MikeFromCanada1 year, 2 months ago
I'm sure I'll be just fine, I help people if i can( cars broken down on the road, stuff like that) and i do it without the morale guidance of any Deity. If God wants to send me to Hell because I lack blind faith and don't blow sunshine up is butt every Sunday, that is his problem. Speaking of Judgment Day, I have read a lot of comments about atheists and agnostics going to Hell for not believing. I have one thing to say to all the Christian Fundamentalists out there; You are going to look really stupid come Judgment Day if it turns out that the Jews where right.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 2 months ago
Which God? Vishnu? Buddha? Zeus? Muhammed? Spaghetti Mon? Jesus? Hubbard? Mormon? Yahweh? Jupiter? Apollo?
When judgement comes, athEIsts will be in great shape, because the atheist Gods understand that we were just using OUR BEST judgement.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 1 month ago
Alfalfa: While what you say makes sense there are confusing aspects to your view, are you advocating that only Christians who believe will be okay on judgement day? If so what of the many who have never heard of Jesus, what about God's chosen people, the Jews. Has God abandoned them? The main problem I have with Christianity is the statement of "only through Jesus" one, totally unchristian concept that is.
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