Jesus: the Great Man »
Posted by: bucko158 1 year agoOne problem with being an atheist or a secularist is Jesus Christ. Losing Jesus is a big deal . . .
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cantfoolme1 year ago
Sorry i don't get it. While i don't want to insult the memory of the man you believe to be your saviour he is no loss to me. There are far far more interesting and more significant people in history. You can extend this argument to anyone or anything. A Muslim would equally claim that you as Christians have incurred a terrible loss by not bringing Mohammed into your lives.
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cantfoolme1 year ago
Actually bucko i have to retract that statement to a degree. Although in no way do i believe Jesus to be devine, a saviour or the son of god, there is no doubt he has been a significant figure in history albeit after his death and not always for the right reasons. I would still say that the likes of Newton, Darwin and Einstein have had more positive impact.
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icelander1 year ago
This article is a false dichotomy. The alternative to atheism isn't eliminating all the religious aspects of every great writer or philosopher. It's about understanding that none of these things are real for you, but that they may have been real for these great philosophers.
It's exactly the same as being moved at a piece of music that was originally written as a mass. Just because it was written for a god that does not exist does not make it less beautiful.
Being an atheist doesn't make the ideas of condemning war, caring for the sick, and helping the poor any less compelling or correct.
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bucko1581 year ago
"This article is a false dichotomy."
As an Atheist you certainly can't view Jesus as a great man, great teacher, or great philosopher. You choose to view him as a liar and a manipulator. If I were an Atheist I wouldn't be able to respect or follow the teachings of someone who started what to you must be the greatest hoax of all time.
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icelander1 year ago
I don't even think Jesus existed, so saying he's a liar or manipulator is wrong. A lot of the stuff attributed to him, the red words of the Bible, makes a lot of sense. Just because someone made up Jesus saying these things
To put it another way: You don't have to believe in talking dogs to draw meaning from the fable of The Dog and his Bone.
And if you want to find the huckster, look no further than Paul.
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jordan111 year ago
The deal with Christ was the message, not the man. He had a message. Few are listening or have listened. Less talking, more following his example. HIS example. Not Paul, or anyone else. If people are going to call themselves 'christians', it's time to walk HIS walk. Not yours. Not some preachers. Not Paul's. Not anyone but him. Either that, or change the name of your professed 'faith' to meet what you really follow.
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comfortstrike1 year ago
jordan11, you are totaly missing the point of walking the walk and not our own.We learn from Paul and Preachers even through eachother.Have you tried to walk like Christ? Betcha cant do it.Christianity is a process and a lifestyle but we are all sinners and fall short of the Glory of God .So Christians Profess your faith and fight the good fight in Jesus Christ.And judge not ,those who dont want to be judged.
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cantfoolme1 year ago
Told you before Comfort. We are NOT all sinners. Perhaps you could would be so kind as to define Sin.
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cantfoolme1 year ago
And comfort in the same way i don't want to or even need to walk the walk of Jesus.
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bucko1581 year ago
hmm.. I wouldn't assume she was using it as an epithet. You really can't tell tone in posts. Maybe she realized that arguing was going nowhere and she genuinely wants God(who she believes in) to Bless cantfoolme. If it was geniune, which I'd like to believe it was, then it was an act of kindness, whether you believe in God or not.
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cantfoolme1 year ago
Dear Comfort. Thankyou and may the fairies and goblins attend to your every wish.
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cantfoolme1 year ago
Sorry. Please replace Goblins with Elves but i believe both were goodies in the Lord of The Rings. By the way what do you mean by "who you are from"? I am from no one but my dear beloved parents and i wpould be very suprised if you knew them.
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Socrates11 year ago
A person can believe in Jesus' existence and much of his philosophy without believing in his divinity. The article was good until the end where without any evidence the miracles were taken as fact. I for one do believe that Jesus was a great thinker. I also think that it is no coincidence that he was born in the Middle East. His message really was very specific for that place and time. It is unfortunate that we continue to see the very types of behaviour in the very same part of the world that Jesus was trying to speak to. His message was a repudiation of the culture which still exists in the Middle East. He taught love and forgiveness in an area where there is still hate and vengance. His message was that for the people to continue along the same path was madness and self-defeating and time has shown him to be right. He taught the brotherhood of man and the benefit of common sense. He taught that laws were made for man and not that man was made for laws. Out of space.
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infidell2space1 year ago
To state that there are only two options; either Jesus was a liar or a lunatic is not true; two of the other options would be that the gospels are all or to some extent forgeries. The following quote shows another view point, the evidence to support this view is very strong and there is no reason not to seriously consider it.
"The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have
been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what
parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills."
[Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814]
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infidell2space1 year ago
(((He also taught that he is the Messiah and to put your trust in Him for eternal life.))) You do know this is the same thing David Koresh taught too, how much faith do you put in to him? And if none, how do you choose? Does god speak to you? Do you hear voices? And who are you that anyone should believe you?
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Socrates11 year ago
Jesus could have believed that he was the way, not been divine, and still not be a lunatic. Even if I were not to believe in his divinity and, in fact, even if I believed him to be a lunatic, which I don't, I could still believe, and in fact do, in his message and in his understanding of the human heart. Ironically, what I consider to be the more important part of my message, his Middle Eastern origins, and the fact that His message fits so well the mind set in that area even today was not even commented on. He saw how the mentality of his time could result in never ending vendetta's etc., how property could become more important that people, etc. and it is incredible how his message should resonate with those today. Eye for an Eye. Refusal to compromise. Belief in the divinity of a particular piece of land rather that in a persons heart, etc.
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