An Atheist, Hitler Was Not! »
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Many preachers and politicians have joined together in a new movement: to distort and rewrite history to favor their own prideful agendas. On the airwaves they routinely condemn atheists claiming Adolph Hitler was not a Christian. Heartfelt objections to historical fact must not become the impetus for compromising the truth.
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Spadecaller7 months, 3 weeks ago
The power of history is great.
As Christian historical revisionism infiltrates mainstream America, it is important for the rest of society to recognize our need to craft an accurate, compelling, and a shared story of American history, particularly as it relates to the function of religion in government and politics.
More than needing to know how Christian fundamentalism is wrong, we ourselves must know where we stand in the light of history, in relation to each other.
We must know how we can better foresee a future united, when freedom from religious prejudice, and the prospects of religious warfare will cease to threaten our world.
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Radiofreeeuropa7 months, 3 weeks ago
Gentlemen, Hitler was no Atheist. What specifically in this article do you contest? If you don't believe Nazis or Hitler were Christians how do you explain these photos?
http://bp3.blogger.com/_sjmxrHygBno/R2ycEwryRKI...
(St. Nicholas)
http://bp1.blogger.com/_sjmxrHygBno/R2yboQryRFI...
(Hitler is 2nd from the left)
http://bp1.blogger.com/_sjmxrHygBno/R2zBXQryRjI...
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AKpatriot7 months, 3 weeks ago
Here are a few quotes from Hitler.These are taken from private conversations and speeches.
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.. "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity..."Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."
10th October, 1941, midday
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)
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AKpatriot7 months, 3 weeks ago
These conversations were recorded by stenographers employed by Martin Bormann (Hitler's private secretary) at Hitler's request and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953).
These are hardly heresay.
It should also be noted that Hitler was not an atheist as is noted by Bkumm below.
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crghss7 months, 3 weeks ago
SpadeCaller doesn't want to hear this. Only repeat what he wants to hear.
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markoller7 months, 3 weeks ago
How do you know that these quotes were really recorded by Martin Bormann's stenographers? Whoever said it, it is still true, and it was plagiarized from Nietzsche.
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Natureboy7 months, 3 weeks ago
A bit of historical context:
This was after the falling out between the Nazi State and the Protestant church, which had initially welcomend naziism with open arms, delighted at their authoritarian stance, their gunpoint enforcement of "christian values," their punishment of abortion (of Aryan fetuses, anyway) by death. They were even at the point of merging and creating a "German reich church" from out of several denominations.
But they did have a falling out, and not over moral issues - it was simply that both church and state wanted absolute power, so their had to be a winner and a loser.
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AKpatriot7 months, 3 weeks ago
And more quotes from Hitler:
14th October, 1941, midday
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
..the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State."
There are even more at http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hi...
Check it out instead of spouting your Anti-Christian garbage
HITLER WAS NO CHRISTIAN
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Spadecaller7 months, 3 weeks ago
You can shout the words "HITLER WAS NO CHRISTIAN" but documentation is not heresay composed of quotes from bystanders. That's too ridiculous to even continue discussing.
"Quotes taken from private conversations." How can you even post such nonsense.
Here's a direct quote from me: Get the shovel!
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Radiofreeeuropa7 months, 3 weeks ago
He justified his fight for the German people and against Jews by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
(Mien Kampf)
Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.)
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Justice4All7 months, 3 weeks ago
In his book he called Martin Luther the greatest reformer of all time. Krystalight (sp) was planned for Martin Luther's birthday because Martin Luther called for burning the Jewish synogogues.
The christians may not want to accept him, but he was certainly a christian and used christianity to justify his actions.
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cloud157 months, 3 weeks ago
Spade if those quotes are from RECORDED conversations, whether private or public, that would make them a primary source and very reliable. So stop passing facts that disprove what you think off as "heresay" and wake up.
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Shadowolf7 months, 2 weeks ago
I think it is FAR more accurate to say that Hitler CLAIMED to be a Christian.
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Candida7 months, 3 weeks ago
AKpatriot,
Why do you post only half of the quotes? These are probably from the same site:
"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out".
"For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life".
Both of these quotes are from Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942, cited in an Internet article by Doug Krueger.
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Candida7 months, 3 weeks ago
The fact is that it makes very little difference whether he was an atheist or a Christian. From the above quotes, it seems that he was a hypocrite, someone who would use anything to manipulate the masses.
A person is not just one set of beliefs, and one cannot select who else believes in the same things as one does. Since I have no control over who believes the same things I do, I feel no responsibility for their actions. It's not as if I have joined the party of atheists where we make decisions about the future of the nation.
I find it really bizarre when people are trying to attack my credibility by claiming that Hitler or Stalin was an atheist too. So what? I condemn them both. My atheism doesn't compel me to some kind of loyalty to them.
Come to think of it, Satan himself probably isn't an atheist, and look at all the bad things he has caused in the world.
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cowboygrandpa7 months, 3 weeks ago
Candida:
Yes, satan knows there is a God. He just doesn't want others to know it. Because he blew it. He wants eveyone else to fail as well.
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AKpatriot7 months, 3 weeks ago
Candida,
There are a lot of Hitler quotes out there. I gave the link to the site I was referencing. He basically said what ever his audience wanted to hear. Much like some of today's politicians. He was a master manipulator who knew how to charm and excite a crowd. He was also consummate evil and I think it is unfair and intellecutally dishonest to pin the blame on any particular group, Christians, Atheist, or any others the spinners want to designate as the bad guys dejour. He was recognized as evil and defeated by the men and women of many nations, faiths and political ideologies. Enough said
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NoWayMan7 months, 3 weeks ago
and the christians from germany were pretty fond of hitler as well.
"May God preserve the Reich Chancellor for our people."
- Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber of Bavaria, praising Adolf Hitler, July 24, 1933.
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"Christ has come to us through the person of Adolf Hitler."
- Kirchenrat Leutheusser, addressing German Christians in Saalfeld, August 30, 1933
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cowboygrandpa7 months, 3 weeks ago
AKpatriot:
I absolutely agree Hitler was no Christian. He pretended to be just like GW Bush. Just like Bush he used religion to come into power. Just like Bush he fooled a lot of people. Bush and Hitler are alike in some ways. They are both false Christians whose drive to control the world would allow them to do whatever they deem needed to succeed.
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markoller7 months, 3 weeks ago
There can be no doubt about Bush's Christianity and mental illness. See http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,15...
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0342,schanberg...
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AKpatriot7 months, 3 weeks ago
Radiofreeeurope: The photos you use to try too prove your point are: two with Christmas trees and one of St Nicholas at some kind of pageant.
1) The Christmas tree is a pagan symbol dating to pre-Christian Europe.
2) The children behind St Nicholas are holding swastikas. These are Hindu symbols.....
I suppose by your sense of logic that Hitler was also a Hindu
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Radiofreeeuropa7 months, 3 weeks ago
Most religious symbols have a history, The swastika I think you will acknowledge represented something other than Hinduism to these particular people. I am not saying religion was responsible for Hitler's madness but that it had a role.
(Even if it was just to sway the public opinion, like Ted Haggard demonizing gays and drug abusers from his pulpit).
Thinking St. Nicholas and Christmas Trees mean something other than celebrating Christmas is a bit of a stretch also. But yes all these symbols have pre-Christian roots. I would never claim otherwise. I think Spadecaller's assertion that this man was no atheist is correct.
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injest7 months, 3 weeks ago
"Gentlemen, Hitler was no Atheist. What specifically in this article do you contest?"
Radio you have a good point for once, there is a reason why Nazi leadership was known as
"Gay Nazis for Christ"
Look it up, here's a link.
http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/lively.html
"ironically, while many homosexuals were persecuted by the Nazi party, there is no doubt that the Nazi party itself had many homosexuals within its own ranks, even among its highest leadership".
"The followers of Brand, (SA, Brown shirts,Ernst Roehm) perceived themselves not merely as masculine, but as a breed of men superior in masculine qualities even to heterosexuals".
Homosexual historian Frank Rector writes that "Hitler was, to a substantial extent, Roehm's protegé" (Rector:80)"
In fact if it weren't for the "Gay Nazis for Christ" Hitler never would have come into power.
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Aurinkohirvi7 months, 3 weeks ago
It's not a German thing. Would be more proper say Germanic (including Nordic countries) but better yet say Northern European, since Midwinter was an important festival to many northen peoples.
It is true that Jul bock/Joulupukki (christmas goat) does inherit from pagan Midwinter traditions. But Christianity ADOBTED the pagan Midwinter festivals and giving gifts and having this character, that later became the Coca-Cola Santa Claus known all the world now.
The character Jul bock/Joulupukki/Santa Claus or what ever you call him, might not itself be a religious character, but Christmas IS a religious celebration. With northern Europe being Christian for centuries, there is no more tradition to celebrate Midwinter especially as a pagan festival.
Still, it's impossible to say if someone celebrating Christmas is a christian/atheist or something else. Perfectly OK to enjoy Christmas traditions without religious context. I do, and I'm an atheist.
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Spadecaller7 months, 3 weeks ago
For those who prefer personal attacks, (like BoBo in Texas)I refer you to the article that apparently he failed to read or comprehend:
"Is this an indictment of all Christians? Not at all! From every religion and from every nationality characters of ill-repute are born and raised."
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Radiofreeeuropa7 months, 3 weeks ago
The "Christian right" political movement bears much resemblance to the supporters of Hitler.
They believed in God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. They spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda. Sound familiar?
The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the Jews and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War II. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther. Hitler did not initiate hatred of the Jews, it existed at least since Luther who preached it as religious dogma. He could not have come to power without the aid of the German churches and the German populace.
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globalwarmer7 months, 3 weeks ago
If only Hitler were an Atheist maybe he would have been more tolerant and not felt the need to hate other religions, he also rounded up gays and Jehovah's witnesses among others.
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ciera-marie7 months, 3 weeks ago
SpazMat:
Spadecaller is tolerant of Christians. What he and others like myself have a problem with are the so called "Christians." The ones who claim to hear and follow Christ, yet their lives are a clear example that they don't.
Good for Spadecaller, bkumm and RFE for continuing to be voices of reason. Keep up the good work guys!
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SpazMat7 months, 3 weeks ago
What a frikkin intolerant thing to say! ;^)
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When being intolerant of intolerance leads to PC activities, and let's people define what that intolerance is that they are allowed to be intolerant of, it leads to real intolerance!
Did you follow that?
I'm not sure I did.
But who defines which intolerance in just intolerance, and which is intolerance of intolerance?
I bet there are people who do not agree with your definition, or you decision that you can make the definition.
Sh1t. There are just too many meta levels of indirection in this.
I'm gonna go drink.
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doggammit7 months, 3 weeks ago
I drink - therefore I am...
Seriously Spaz, that's the same round about my thoughts travel. I think you have hit upon the kernal truth behind value relativity. There is a quiet tyranny apparent in fluid PC processes - offset by the strident rigidity of so called "conservative" values. The combination of two extremes forms an impasse that engages human judgement directly - often painfully - and I am unsure if there is any ethical system that can reconcile this ages old recipe for dialectical turbulence. Scylla and Charbydis - two opposite poles in eternal conflict with one another... and somewhere in the middle a narrow way out... Finding a safe route between both becomes the "hero's quest". Generally, the challenge is in learning how to thread the needle, or how to fly. Labyrinthine for sure - but there is no other way but to transcend the vise of conflict or the Iron Cage or Reason.
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SpazMat7 months, 3 weeks ago
Yes.
Being blown about by the random winds of intolerant tolerance while trying to get through, between a rock and a hard place, is pretty hard without a calibrated moral compass!
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markoller7 months, 3 weeks ago
Liberals invented political correctness, but conservatives perfected it, especially neoconservatives.
We need no compromise between PC censorship and intolerance. Only liars need to resort to censorhip. Would-be Hitlers, masquerading as crusaders against bigotry, are especially afraid of free speech.
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SpazMat7 months, 3 weeks ago
Hi Ricky! Nice of you to stop by and say hello!
Are you being intolerant of my intolerance for intolerant tolerance? Or did you just think I was having a bad hair day?
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Locky127 months, 3 weeks ago
Atheist? Tolerant? Globalwarmer, there is NO evidence of such. Only athiests are trying to thwart the will of the majority by trying to take God out the Pledge of Allegiance, take "In God We Trust" off our money and out of our courts.
Yeah, real tolerant.
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globalwarmer7 months, 3 weeks ago
I'm sure as you know locky, God was never originally in the pledge of allegiance or on our money until some fundamentalists decided it should be there. I think its unbelievably tolerant that it is still there.
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Locky127 months, 3 weeks ago
Just as it is unbelievably intolerant that the very few would even try to thwart the will of the majority.
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electrical_banana7 months, 3 weeks ago
A religion, yes. Organized religion, no.
It takes a stand on theological matters, so yes, it could be considered a religion.
However, it doesn't require its adherents to follow a strict set of nonsensical, hierarchal, bs, dogmatic tenets like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. does.
The freedom from religion thing is hogwash too. I've met people who I think are way too intolerant of religion, and, considering religion's track record, it's hard for me to be sympathetic, but I have stood up when I think it's unjust. People have a right to pray in public and such. But for the most part, the push from the religious right is much more threatening than the anti-religious push. That just seems mostly paranoia. Don't worry...this country is still full of illogical sheep...religion is not in danger.
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Candida7 months, 3 weeks ago
No, atheism is not a religion. A single disbelief is insufficient to call it a religion. Do you believe in Zeus? No? Do you belong the the religion of non-believers in Zeus? Do you believe in Shiva? No? Is your non-belief a religion? If not, what makes non-belief in the Judeo-Christian God a religion?
"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." [Richard Dawkins]
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Candida7 months, 3 weeks ago
Locky,
'"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" (Matthew 22:21).'
In other words, Jesus condones separation of church and state. You can pray and call upon God in your home, in your church and almost anywhere else as much as you like, but the government and public institutions should serve everyone, so people are trampling on others' rights when they weave religion into them.
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doggammit7 months, 3 weeks ago
"Only athiests would have a problem with God. They're the only people fighting it."
Anyone who truly desires to know their god, inner daemon - whatever you want to call it - is wrestling with conscience and consciousness. This is not about a big white bearded man in the sky but a dynamic presence embedded into all human life. Ultimately - your personal infrastructure is far more important to attaining any form of enlightenment/salavation than religious superstructure - and there are many different ways of accessing the inner self. Knowing that, I would hesitate to condemn atheism or atheists. Antinomian routes are valid - the way is open and choice remains essential to the exercise of free will. As for the Roman or the Nazi side of the coin, there have been many attempts made to alter institutional superstructures for the sake of politics and greed. Pity the church or the philosophy that assumes any form of absolutism on the matter of delivering judgement.
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Candida7 months, 3 weeks ago
No they don't denote freedom of religion. They acknowledge the existence of not just a god, but God. I don't want to repeat phrases that I don't believe in. Do it in church, do it at home, and you can even do it in the streets, as long as I don't have to participate in it.
I know it is far fetched, but suppose the Satanists became the majority by some fluke. Would you want to repeat anything about trusting in Satan? Of course not, and I would fight against that with you. So let's leave your God out of my oaths too.
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doggammit7 months, 3 weeks ago
Nationalist religions - religious nationalism - beware!
Those who blindly contract into the shell but not the substance of genuine religious sensibility are easily moved by bigotry. The cookie cutter aspect of all orthodox religions presents barriers that must be exploded and the only way to accomplish that end is to address a personal and direct relationship with the spark that lives in all of us. Many founding fathers knew this and recoiled from placing America on a biased footing. The open handed principle of America's constitution testifies to their firm belief in a personal road to redemption - not an institutionalized maxim or factional ultimatum. In fact, religious nationalism is one of the two chief causes of mankind's inability to generate fundamental recognition of the common ground all religious philosophies address and transform that understanding into the social engine of peaceful coexistence.
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djn3nunez37 months, 3 weeks ago
....Only athiests would have a problem with God.
I have no problem with God either. It can use It's supernatural powers to silence me and any other heathen none-believers any time It wants too. It could majickally make It's name reapear on freshly minted currency if It really wanted to. It could also resurect It's 10 commandments in all the court rooms in the land that are removed, if It really wanted to. I'm also sure that It could force all school children to speak It's name in the morning when the indocri...um, Pledge of Allegence is said.
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TheRealizer7 months, 3 weeks ago
The Pledge of Allegiance was changed when I was in School, we said it in unison every morning. I never said it again after the change!!!!!
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markoller7 months, 3 weeks ago
Even before the change, the Pledge of Allegiance would have been a disgrace to any communist nation. A self-respecting Stalinist would gag on the phrase, "liberty and justice for all."
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Natureboy7 months, 3 weeks ago
"Only athiests are trying to thwart the will of the majority by trying to take God out the Pledge of Allegiance, take "In God We Trust" off our money and out of our courts."
Hardly. I oppose requiring people to pledge allegiance to a god they may or may not believe in, I think "in god we trust" on our currency is both stupid and scary, and I am a pagan.
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SonOfTheMask7 months, 3 weeks ago
Name one serious current scholar that believes the adult Hitler viewed Christianity as a motivating force in his world view. Name one...
Another example of the dumbing down of America when blogs such as this one are considered to have any have any scholastic merit.
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Spadecaller7 months, 3 weeks ago
SoTM if you were seriously interested you can google several notable resources; but for the sake of posterity and those that might truly be interested in a response to your inquiry here is one reputable source:
Richard Steigmann-Gall: Associate Professor of History and the Director of the Jewish Studies Program at Kent State University. He received his BA in 1989 and MA in 1992 from the University of Michigan, and his PhD in 1999 from the University of Toronto. His academic interests concern the cultural and religious dimensions of German National Socialism, specifically the cohort of Nazis who believed in "positive Christianity" and the struggles they waged with Nazism's neo-pagans for religious dominance in the Third Reich.
His articles have appeared in the journals German History, Kirchliche Zeitgeschichte, Social History, Central European History, Totalitarian Movements and Political Religions, and The Journal of Contemporary History.
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Spadecaller7 months, 3 weeks ago
His book, The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919-1945, came out in 2003 through Cambridge University Press, with foreign language translations out or forthcoming in Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, and Greek. Holy Reich has been reviewed broadly in the popular and academic press, has been the subject of interviews in The Boston Globe and with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, and is the subject of a symposium of international scholars in the Journal of Contemporary History.
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Spadecaller7 months, 3 weeks ago
SOTM
"Quote me where Steigmann-Gall makes the claim that Hitler considered Christianity to be a motivating factor in his world view."
First off, I do not take orders. Secondly, you requested a reputable source to doucment my contentions.
I have provided that source; why don't you google it and find out my statements are accurate. But, as usuall, I don't think you will.
Frankly, I have yet to see anyone show proof by any form of reliable documentation that Hitler was an atheist, other than heresay of private converstations and third party opinions, which amount to spin and propaganda.
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Spadecaller7 months, 3 weeks ago
SOTM:
"Quote me where Steigmann-Gall makes the claim that Hitler considered Christianity to be a motivating factor in his world view."
That information has already been provided somewhere on hte first or second page of this thread. Too lazy to read it?
Perhaps this might help you with your "inquiry":
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignoranceâ;;that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
anon.
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SonOfTheMask7 months, 3 weeks ago
Laughable...if Stiegman-Gall's book was truly a source to support your position then you'd cite exactly what he stated as evidence to back you up. If you're not willing (or able) to defend your argument with Stiegman-Gall, that's your problem.
As far as your comments there at the tail end, the "hearsay" quotes you reject come from "Hitler's Table Talk" a collection of private conversations recorded by two of Hitler's personal assistants that were going to be used to write Hitler's memoirs.
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Candida7 months, 3 weeks ago
SonOfTheMask: "As far as your comments there at the tail end, the "hearsay" quotes you reject come from "Hitler's Table Talk" a collection of private conversations recorded by two of Hitler's personal assistants that were going to be used to write Hitler's memoirs."
Since you accept those quotes, how about checking out a few more of them.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
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SonOfTheMask7 months, 3 weeks ago
And, as usual, the sites that are intent on linking Christianity with Hitler do their best to ignore the evidence to contrary. Why did Goebbels write these things in his diary:
"Afterwards, long discussions about the Vatican and Christianity. The Fuhrer is a fierce opponent of all that humbug, but he forbids me to leave the church. For tactical reasons. And so for a decade now I have paid my church taxes to support such rubbish. That is what hurts most."
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"The Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symbol of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race."
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"The Fuhrer is a man totally attuned to antiquity. He hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity. According to Schopenhauer, Christianity and syphilis have made humanity unhappy and unfree."
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Candida7 months, 3 weeks ago
You are probably right that he was not a true Christian, but he was a master manipulator who used Christianity for his own evil purposes. I guess the goal of pointing this out is not to blame today's Christians for his actions, which would be ridiculous, but to warn all groups, including Christians to beware of manipulators.
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rdy2rck7 months, 3 weeks ago
I agree with spadecaller in this sense.This is just opinion, but I think Hitler knew he didn't has the resources to stamp it out but realized it was a huge force to use.I don't know when Hitler technically went crazy, but in the early days was a master politician.
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SonOfTheMask7 months, 3 weeks ago
Quote me where Steigmann-Gall makes the claim that Hitler considered Christianity to be a motivating factor in his world view.
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SonOfTheMask7 months, 3 weeks ago
Nazism and Christianity: Partners and Rivals? A Response to Richard Steigmann-Gall, The Holy Reich. Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919-1945
Doris L. Bergen
This response accepts Richard Steigmann-Gall's argument that nazism and Christianity were less sharply opposed than popular and much scholarly opinion have assumed. Personal ties, institutional links and ideological common ground connected nazism and Christianity, and many members of the nazi elite considered themselves to be devoted Christians. Steigmann-Gall makes a significant contribution by focusing on such 'Christian nazis', in contrast to the 'nazi Christians' that others have examined. But he could do more to clinch his case. By defining religion solely in terms of belief, he ignores important aspects of nazi-Christian co-existence: for example, the fact that Church membership remained extremely high in Germany throughout the nazi era.
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SonOfTheMask7 months, 3 weeks ago
cont'd His assumption of an especially close nazi-Protestant nexus obscures the significant cooperation of the Catholic Church. Meanwhile, by denying the existence of tensions between nazism and Christianity, he fails to consider the defensive posture of Church leaders, a stance that motivated much of their eager accommodation of National Socialism.
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