Religion – Mike Huckabee's proposal Monday night to rewrite the U.S. Constitution in the words of his God got virtually no mention in mainstream media today. But it's all over the web, and it won't go away because it captures the radical lurking behind the aw-shucks demeanor.
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I submitted this under "Religion" rather than "Politics" because it is more about religion. Mike Huckabee puts his Religious views over the sanctity of the Constitution.
"I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution," Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."
He sealed his fate with that statement. I will NEVER vote for that man.
ziegfeldgirl
Thank you for posting this story and inviting me to review it. I applaud your stance, "I will NEVER vote for that man."
We live in a free country, but those who promise NOT to defend our constitution because of their personal religious convictions do not belong holding offices in our government.
I wonder what his new constitution would say about Atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Patafarians, Agnostics and anyone else that did not believe in his version of god. Everyone should be terrified of this kind of zealotry.
As someone on here astutely said, Fascism will come wrapped in a flag carrying a cross.
There is only one word to describe this man: Traitor. He is advocating the violation of the document that protects our freedom
What's so different with Huckleberree than who's in office now?
A guy that claims "god" talks to him?
Do you think in a minute Romney would go against the teachings of the mormon church before he went against the Constitution? That Constitution went against his people in war. mormons still consider themselves quite separate from everybody else in the USA
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." Ain't no one here "astute" enough to say that here... It was Sinclair Lewis in the 1930's.
Enough talk of traitors and people who advocate violating the Constitution... we already have a president who does that, seemingly on a daily basis.
Get a grip on reality. Deal with the here and now, not with the "what ifs" tomorrow.
You're right, every candidate, Republican or Democrat can't be trusted because they have religous faith.
Your anti-religous bigotry is quite remarkable.
Deliberate Obtuseness -- a trademark of the new Repugnicans. No one even HINTED that men and women of faith should be barred from politics. The issue is that we do not want a government here that intrudes INTO our faith and dictates at pain of arrest and imprisonment how we must pray, what religion we must subscribe to, how much we must give to what church.
If you can't see the difference between a democracy and a theocracy you are most likely deliberately blind, or lusting for a theocracy so much you choose to pretend the ignorance your post displays.
And none of that is what Mike Huckabee was speaking to or supporting. He's supporting a pro-life amendment and an amendment that defines marriage as between a man and a woman.
Pro life = pro suffering
In my case it is not anti religous bigotry, I just want organized religon to leave me the hell ALONE!!!!
This is about two amendments. One to send abortion back to the states. The other to make a marriage be between a man and a woman. In other words putting the constitution back to where it was before judges read between the lines and created law that creates so much hate.
Huckabee's statement was SO much broader than that that we would be complete fools to trust that he's a totally honest man (preacher man) who won't do what he says he will do.
Incorrect. He was talking about his opponents for the Republican presidential nomination. Specifically, he is differentiating himself from others that do not support amendments to protect the unborn from abortion or to define marriage as between a man and a woman. It's that simple, when you understand the context. Attempts to generalize beyond those things, such as you do here, are untenable, wildly speculative, and lead to fear-mongering.
Again, here are his exact words from his speech in Michigan.
"I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view." http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Co...
As far as I know, he hasn't disavowed a word of that, and those words are light years broader than the two issues you are trying to confine them to.
Keep up with the news, ET. Huckabee spoke definitively of this situation the day after and all you have to do is understand the context. The "opponents" who do no want to change the Constitution are those Republican candidates who do not want a Constitutional amendment on the issues of marriage and abortion. Visit Huckabee's website and you'll see he his very clear on support for Constitutional amendments on marriage and abortion.
Pretty straight-forward stuff, really. Instead of inventing your own interpretations, why not find out more about the candidate, the context of the remarks, etc.
I think you may very well be right on this one Endo, but I think everyone else's concern is also legitimate. He should clarify his statement with specifics, in my opinion, if that is true. His generality that he will attempt to change the Constitution to the standards of God at will is just a little scary. The use of the word standards is pretty broad. It is certainly anyone's right to try and amend the Constitution any way they see fit. What is not right, in my opinion, is that they try to rewrite History. I think Huckabee shot himself in the foot with these comments as I believe he isolated many people in the US who do not want more of the same they have been getting this past 8 years.
The problem here is that the full context of what he said is not in the story. I believe that when you look at what he said in it's entirety it is more clear.
I agree with you though, he should come out and clear things up.
I really do wish that Congress would have the balls to draft and submit these two amendments along with the flag burning one! That way when the American People soundly defeat them you clowns will stop droning on and on about how this is something we need to do for the American People have shown in poll after poll that the decision --
1)To have an abortion or not is a womans CHOICE - period and not something for either the State of Federal Government to decide
2)That the majority of Americans believe that if two humans being wish to pledge to live together for the rest of their lives then they should have the right to do so without some sexually repressed freak interfering
3)That if a person chooses to burn or in any other way deface the American Flag as a form of political protest then they are completely free do do so without fear - because for all its symbolism and meaning(something that cannot be destroyed by fire) it is in the end simply scraps of colored cloth sewn together
Amen
4. Science such as biology and evolution shall be taught freely.
"This is about two amendments. One to send abortion back to the states. The other to make a marriage be between a man and a woman."
--Cut! This is about you and your radical right wing cult/klan being self-appointed sex police of America and refusing to admit that gay people have SQUAT to do with the non-stop parade of dead white chicks FOX parades in front of you every night. They were killed by their STRAIGHT husbands. Clean up your own house before trying to take away someone else's rights. This is why the GOP will NEVER be in power again. EVER. Thanks, Huck. We owe you one...
"In other words putting the constitution back to where it was before judges read between the lines and created law that creates so much hate."
--Yeah...While we're at it, we should repeal the Emancipation Proclamation and strip women of their voting rights. That "reading between the lines" crap is getting out of control...
He doesn't say anything about defending the Constitution he speaks of changing it to reflect his beliefs. His beliefs are not mine. As such I resent his attempt to shove his beliefs into my Constitution. What he proposed has no place there. Try checking Constitutional Law and see.
Don't try to spin it to make it look like he is "Defending" the Constitution and anyone who might disagree does not.
I will defend the Constitution to my death, even against people like Hukabee and George W. Bush.
My hope is that we are not stupid enough to elect another right wing religious freak to our highest office.
Look at his speech and others that talk about what it is about. Lets get everything you say and take something you say to the extreme and you will look worse than him.
Keep in mind that a recent pole found only 22% of the people who had not been to a place of worship in the previous 6 month. Meaning the 78% of us are sick and tired of the hate speech generated by this minority and the laws created by judges who are part of the very biased atheistic super liberal view.
Several people like to rant that way on this site. Come on you hate speech people. Neg me.
You're such a "radical" Endo... lol! and tsk...
You and yours may want to open the door to Huckabee et al on two inflammatory issues... and that is nothing new. However - neither you nor anyone else can predict how far "God's" revision to the constitution will go beyond the point of these two issues - and that is something no sane American should be willing to gamble on. Huckabee's casino is stacked with religious rhetoric. The possibility of electing a dyed in the wool demagogue looms large in his "crusade".
I hope everybody else wakes up to this dude. I was afraid he was looking to shove his personal beliefs down our throats. We don't need anymore religious fanatics running the country. They think God gives them authority beyond the Constitution, and they go nuts.
Money-fanatics are worse, they'll sell out the country for a few billion, at least religious-fanatics are tied to the country.
Mother F*ck Huck knows that the sooner we turn all public schools into "Jesus Camps" the sooner he will bring about the Christianization of America, and then the world! Hosannah! Praise the Lord! Where do I send my money?
Well my kind sir, you donate your money here!
https://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Contri...
...The check's in the mail!
Jeez, lighten up people! I asked a polite question (perhaps rhetorical, perhaps not) and xlequitx replied with a civil, polite, quite appropriate answer. You guys must take those negs quite seriously! Hell, I gave him a pos.!
MisterX
Why do you and a whole lot of people always put religious and fanatic together?
If it quacks like a duck...
QUACK! QUACK! WADDLE ... WADDLE ...
Endoscopy, I have no issues with who people worship, how they worship, or where they worship. I have moral and religious beliefs of my own, but I don't feel the need to have them forced on to other people. If I were even able to do so, I would make alot of people very miserable, and I would never care to do that. It would go against my moral and religious beliefs. I believe that everybody is entitled to their own.
There are lobbying organizations out there that are dedicated to forcing their religious and moral beliefs on to me and everybody else. When they succeed, they make me and alot of other people very miserable. Huckabee just claimed that he is in sync with these organizations. In effect, he will be out to make me miserable as well.
Does this explain my stand?
:)
This man is dangerous. I hope more people can see that he represents everything that this country seeks to defend itself from.
Frankly I think he is nothing more than a 2 bit politician talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time. If he lasts long enough to reach Super Tuesday, what will he be saying to voters in more cosmopolitan areas? He will try to distance himself from these remarks. Huckabee is a Huckster.
Good thing he exposed himself early on. Stick a fork in him, he's done.
The HUCKABOOM strikes again. Something about him bothers me. I heard Fred say Mike is a liberal on many things so many he could be a Democrat. I don't have a problem with liberals or democrats. What bothers me is if you are liberal, say so.
The mere fact that he's a politician from Hope Arkansas raises about 12 red flags right off the bat.
The other man from Hope, Bill Clinton, will be remembered as one of our best presidents. I didn't agree with him about 30% of the time while he was President - or Governor - for that matter, but I do believe he has a genuine interest in the welfare of the American people.
I have met him twice and I greatly admire him, though I wish he had stood on principle more than he did in either office.
He p***ed me off with the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which is responsible for the corporate stronghold on television news reporting and media in general. We used to have a media that was more objective and strove to operate in the public interest. Today, the market decides, thanks to companies like NewsCorp and Clear Channel, among others.
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I thought he shouldn't have caved on lifting the ban on gays in the military. We have been in, we are in, and we will always be in the military. So why not be honest about it?
So don't expect all liberals to be in Clinton's pocket. We are not.
But we do recognize that - on many of our core issues (and despite criticisms like those cited above) - he was a very good President.
Certainly light years better than George W. Bush, the moonbat we have been living with for the past 7 horrible years!
Well said, scott4261, your closing stanza in particular.
ROFLMAO
"Bill Clinton, will be remembered as one of our best presidents."
Oh yes. Rolling disclosures, lying under oath, conspiracy to lie under oath, lots people associated with him including a governor went to jail over Whitewater, pressure put on women who talked about sexual misconduct including rape, the list is long about his accomplishments. Everybody remembers the Oval Office cigar.
On political issues he held his finger in the wind and went that direction. A real man of integrity.
A Rhodes Scholar too... which ain't necessarily a good thing considering who Cecil Rhodes was an what he stood for. The other side of the coin offers no improvement. The Oval Office is the pendulum and we the people are in the pit - no matter who sits in the presidential chair.
Tell me who - who do you think you're fooling?
Mike Huckabee IS NOT a liberal.
He may have compassion for the poor to a certain extent... ...and I write "too a certain extent" because his idea to abolish the IRS and to collect all of our taxes through a flat sales tax will soak the poor the most! I'm middle class and I've done the math and I'm certain it would not be easy for me either. The rich would be better off, but few others would be.
Huck does have a strange mixture of compassion for the poor and religious conservatism - which may be what Bush called "compassionate conservatism" (too bad Bush didn't really put it into practice).
Republicans love to call him a liberal because he "allowed" the Democrats in legislature here to drag him kicking and screaming to make ARKidsFirst , a Medicaid expansion, to become law. He fought school district consolidation (a very hot issue here), until the Arkansas Supreme Court ruled he had no choice....then he was its biggest champion.
Huck shouldn't be president because he's a chameleon...something most of the country will soon understand.
The Huckster is a trickster; a snake oil salesman, a charlatan, and s dangersou zealot. He won't need a Cheney to pull his strings.
Imagine that, spadecaller attacking a Christian for standing up for his beliefs. Never thought I would see that.
He sounds like a genuine fanatic. If not, Huckabee is an improvement on George W. Bush. Bush's sincerity is undeniable.
Great story, ZiegfieldGirl. Huckabee is certainly playing up to his base to win the nomination. It's his only chance of winning, and he's making the most of it, after languishing in the lower tiers of the race. However, rewriting the constitution is a deal breaker with most voters and will end Huckabee's campaign, hopefully before it really gains momentum.
Me too. He won't get the nomination because of these type of gaffs but if he did, I'd stay home on election day.
ziggy,
Unfortunately, this not the first or last candidate that would promise Evangelicals something that the rest of the nation vehemently disagrees with. The David Kuo incident in the current White House should be an incident not long forgotten by Evangelicals.
ZG,
You surprised me with your post, and more so with your comment!
It is very refreshing to read that from someone with strong Conservative leaning!
I applaud you, and agree with you 100%.
Peace and Blessings!