Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11 »
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Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America." In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.
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RedRiverJ5 months, 1 week ago
With hate speech like that staying a member of this church might not be the best political decision of Obama's career to date.
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bobo-in-texas5 months, 1 week ago
I wonder what he would have to say for Obama to consider finding another pastor.
Obviously hating America isn't offensive enough.
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bobo-in-texas5 months, 1 week ago
You don't think that his retirement has anything to do with the election do you. Now Obama can claim that that crazy uncle isn't around any more and it's all water under the bridge.
And you're a racist for even bringing it up in the first place.
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capecoralM5 months, 1 week ago
His retirement. No it has to do with the fact that he is now a member of the Obama Campaign as a adviser. At the end of a Good Morning America segment today about Barack Obama's pastor, the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., an Obama campaign representative complained that John McCain's pastor had not been similarly "vetted." If that's true, then ABC or some other media outlet surely should and will do so.
Let's imagine that upon vetting, McCain's pastor is found to have made statements that were the mirror-image of those that Rev. Wright has made. How long would McCain remain a viable candidate? Source: Newsbuster
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capecoralM5 months, 1 week ago
Let's consider Casey's defense: that ABC is doing to Obama what some in the media did to JFK in 1960. But Kennedy was born into a worldwide religion. Here, Obama as an adult chose to become a congregant in a very specific church, and chose that church's leader as his personal "spiritual advisor." He chose Rev. Wright to perform his wedding ceremony and to baptize his children, and credits Rev. Wright with devising the title of Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope."
Source: ABC News
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tanglang5 months, 1 week ago
Might as well be. Speaking of, have you seen thier retarded website? http://www.blackpanther.org/TenPoint.htm
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GWHayduke5 months, 1 week ago
Its more like the Association of Life-Giving Churches.
Ted Haggard's church.
A small window into the Dumby Administration per BoBo's rationale.
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RedRiverJ5 months, 1 week ago
Reverend Wright is the racist.
Obama has been a member of this church for 20 years and has been there for many a sermon just like this one. Attendance for 20 years might make most people think he approves of this man and his messages. Wright isn't just Obama's Pastor he is a personal friend. He performed Obama's wedding, he baptized Obama's children. Most of us would be X Church members and X friends with a Pastor that promotes an anti-american agenda and is an out and out racist like Reverend Wright.
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Welfare_Made_Me_Rich5 months, 1 week ago
I guess, by the logic of this story, that John McCain hates Catholics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q
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cushi5 months, 1 week ago
The pastor of your church is usually the person who marries you....duh!! He's also usually the one who baptizes you and/or your children. Do you go to church? If so, then you know this.
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slate5 months, 1 week ago
I read the good Pastor will retire, no date mentioned.
It Matters Not 20 years has been plenty of time to plant the seed of hate and nourish the sapling of anger into a Sequoia sized fruit tree which bears the fruits of hate, bigotry, racism and anarchy.
Yeah time to retire and behold the fruits of his labor.
The funny thing here,,,, all those on the left that hates religion and cry speration of Church and State when a White guy goes to Churches that don't even come close to this hatred will be quite OK with this,,, because as ususal,,, it's 'DIFFERENT' when it's thier guy
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HOUSEMD5 months, 1 week ago
He is certainly Anti-white american and is preaching hatered. Tragically there are young impressionable minds in his congregation that will 'learn' this hatred from the good Rev. much in the same why the Mullahs preach it to their young. Stop preaching the hatred, stop hating and the world will be a better place Rev. Wright. Any good Pastor would be encouraging people to get along and care for one another. Telling people the US goverment invented aids to destroy blacks is insane.
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cushi5 months, 1 week ago
YOu hear what you want to hear. He is not preaching hatred; he is preaching the truth and that's what so many of you can't handle. He isn't sugar coating it or putting it tactfully, he's just stating it as ugly and harsh as it is.
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
"He is certainly Anti-white american and is preaching hatered."
--Really? You're certain of this? Wow. Obviously you've done a great deal of research to speak on the matter with such conviction. Do you think any of the many, many WHITE members of his congregation ((in one of the most liberal, racially diverse churches in America) know about this "hateful" preacher? If so, how has this preacher managed to keep his "hatred" for white people a secret all these years while neocons on Propeller were able to read this man's heart and mind in a virtual instant? Is it possible he forced white people to attend church at gunpoint? Please share more of your keen insights. Thanks.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/437415,C...
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
This is thoroughly silly and childish (and typical of you Bobo). Obama is no more responsible for what his pastor says than he's responsible for what his President says. You cons don't become distraught when Bush slams entire religions with "words" like Islamofascists" and insults people of other nations by labeling them part of the "axis of evil."
And I don't know why you people are pretending to be scandalized by something that happened several years ago (but conveniently popped up only recently) and by sentiments that have reverberated throughout America and the rest of the world. This pastor is far, FAR from alone in the views he's expressed. Lame.
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bobo-in-texas5 months, 1 week ago
So "God Damn America" from his personal spiritual adviser doesn't bother you in the least? Is there anything that he could say that would?
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
LOL. Why would I be concerned to hear someone express a point of view I agree with and that most people have heard and/or read repeatedly over the past 8 years? I suppose it's news to you that our foreign policy is reviled among both our allies *and* enemies. But then, something tells me you probably can't even conceive of anyone objecting to the way we treat blacks, women, gays, other minorities and the poor in this country.
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tanglang5 months, 1 week ago
I don't know where to begin with telling you how you're wrong. First of all, blacks in America are treated no differently than whites. And for this douchebag to say that the Three Strikes law is there to keep blacks down is just fcking stupid! If you commit 3 felonies you should be shot dead immediatly! (IMHO) Not put in prison for life. You have shown that there is No rehabilitating you, so now you get to die. Can't live and act as a decent member of society, then don't.
News flash, a black man and a woman are the top two contenders for the demoratic nomination for POTUS! There is a very good chance that one, or both of them will be in the White House next year! But we treat blacks and women differently? BS, meso. Bs! As for gays, the only thing you cannot do is be bound in ***HOLY MATRIMONY***. This should not come as a shock to you as the place where the act comes from says that the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination.
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tanglang5 months, 1 week ago
And the poor? How are they treated badly? We freaking give them free money and health care so they can sit at home. Not to mention that fact that "Bush's tax cuts for the rich" cut the amount of federal taxes for someone making $30,000 a year by nearly 40%. How will B.O. or Hillary be helping the poor by repealing those as they have stated they would do first thing?
Give me a freaking break Meso. I grew up about as poor as it gets. Short of actually being homeless. (we had a car) I even dropped out of high school, ran the streets and got involved in drugs. By 21 I decided to straighten up and become a member of this society, not just a drain on it. By 25 I bought a home and had two cars. I have also since gone back to school and will have a degree by the time I'm 30. So don't give me that ishk about the poor. All it takes is hard work and determination.
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
We know, we know...People who have money all sweated hard to earn it or deserve what they have because their parents worked for it and poor people are all poor because, unlike you, they just aren't smart enough to realize that success is simply a result of mind over matter. No other variables to consider...K
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
"That's not even close to the point I was making."
--Actually, no...That *is* the point,you were making, tangy. You experimented with drugs for a while in your youth (the hell?) and spent a few days not knowing where your next meal was gonna come from (and that Job dude thought *he* had it rough, right?), and you think because you turned your life around this experience gave you some earth shattering insight into all the unique life circumstances that lead people into lives of poverty. Oh, and I almost forgot--you think this makes you better than people who are on welfare.
"My point was, and still is that you are full of crap."
--Ok. I see where this is headed... Sorry, but I'm taken, tangy. ;-P
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
"News flash, a black man and a woman are the top two contenders for the demoratic nomination for POTUS!"
--But tangy, this only tells us what most people already know--that the Democratic party is very progressive and inclusive and the GOP is... well, let's not dwell on the negative.
The point is, it's wonderful that we have a woman and a black man running for President but that doesn't mean we (Republlicans, especially) shouldn't want to examine why the two parties are almost literally like night and day when it comes to ethnic and gender representation.
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
The Colin Powell who fled the administration and was replaced by Condi Marcos? Alan Keyes?! ;-X
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mntnman4445 months, 1 week ago
tang
So you actually believe that black people are treated the same as white people?Then how do you explain the disproportionate number of blacks in prison?Racial profiling?I sure hope you share your belief in equality with those "dozen black guys" you claim to be "brother" to. LOL!
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
"GAWD,,,,, you know that there are more minorities and women in high positions in the Republican party as a whole Messed Up?"
--slater, in the whirlwind of Bush appointees getting caught shoplifting (Chad Allen), resigning in disgust over administration war lies (Colin Powell), or getting caught stacking the Justice Dept in favor of the GOP-- and being forced to resign (Al Gonzales), I'm already skeptical of your claims. And if you're referring to the additional minority delegates that were hastily added in 2004, I'm not sure that's reason to brag (considering that, for the most part, they weren't elected by black voters).
What I had in mind as positions of power was more along the lines of the Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid Congress--(see link below). Btw, I knew the GOP's minority roster was anemic, but to see this list--well it's truly jaw-dropping to see the contrast. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0878575.html
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slate5 months, 1 week ago
Nice try hot shot,,,,, but they were there long before the Dems,,,, finally put the wild eyed one in charge of the House,,, do you care to discuss her achievements?
Every administration has people come and people go, and yeah some in shame. Seeing the people he is surrounded by his will be something to watch, if he indeed becomes president. I'll receive much pleasure pointing this out to you in the future. The accuser/defender role change will be fun and a much anticipated change.
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bobo-in-texas5 months, 1 week ago
Hey, don't be such a sexist. Speaker Nancy has held dozens of votes to stop the war. She lost them all but trying is what's most important, right?
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
"Nice try hot shot,,,,, but they were there long before the Dems,,,, finally put the wild eyed one in charge of the House,,, do you care to discuss her achievements?"
--I don't remember implying thatthat Pelosi is the reason that there are numerous Democratic Congress members who are women and minorities and I only mentioned Powell et al because I wanted to know what criteria you were using to claim that the GOP had all these women and minorities in "high" places.
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cushi5 months, 1 week ago
And they are all window dressing for the Bush administration. Condi Rice is a fighrehead and Colin Powell was duped and made to look like a fool for putting his reputation on the line espousing the lies that were fed to him by people he supported and trusted.
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david_nwpa5 months, 1 week ago
Tangy, that hurts. Claiming that the homosexual "lifestyle" is an abomination? Clearly, you have not read or disliked the material I have posted. First, a lifestyle suggests the way in which you live your life. I currently live in a more suburban or rural part of PA. As a result, I live a far slower lifestyle with more contemporary decor than I prefer.
Sexual identity is the term you seek. As for gays not being allowed to marry, how swiftly you forget Massachusetts or other countries like Spain, South Africa, Belgium, the Netherlands, Canada, etc. Marriage is also a civil matter not just a religious one. Before spreading any more nastiness, remember your audience.
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oldgringo5 months, 1 week ago
david nwpa...you are right...that was uncalled for. Most of us could care less about a persons sexual orientation. We're all the same and should be treated the same. If I can marry a PERSON, why can't you?
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tanglang5 months, 1 week ago
David, it should not hurt as I did not say it was my opinion. I was merely pointing out that marriage, aka Holy Matrimony comes from a book that Does say homosexuality is an abomination. That's the sad truth. I also did not mention civil unions. Which are and should be different than marriage in the sense that religion should be left out of civil unions.
Now, since you are here and commented about spreading nastiness, I must ask you about this:
"Of course, only the right-wing, NRA backed fools living in GA would back such a ridiculous notion as this one."
That seems pretty nasty to me. Especially since you had no knowledge of what you were commenting on.
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tanglang5 months, 1 week ago
Because of this comment! You along with every other ignorant poster on tha thread actually thought that a religious group was advocating guns in church. Which was so far from being thr truth it was not funny. Had you have actually read the bill you would have not made that obviosly biased comment.
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slate5 months, 1 week ago
Nothing wrong with love,,,,, between Adults,,,, I've stated my views about gay partners to not have to again
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GWHayduke5 months, 1 week ago
Wasnt W's spiritual advisor a drug abusing homosexual caught having homosexual sex with a prostitute?
Does that define W's spiritual proclivity?
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slate5 months, 1 week ago
the way we treat blacks, women, gays, other minorities and the poor in this country.
THe way WE?
How do YOU treat them Messed? Not We how do YOU treat them?
I've been poor, I know what that's like,,,,, I love womenand treat them well,,,,, gays, I'm ok with gays,,,, minorities? I've told you plenty of times about my diverse family,,,, so when you say we,,,, you might want to say I,,,, as for me,,, I don't mistreat any of those people,,,, I'm surprized you left starving children off your usual post.....
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
"THe way WE?
How do YOU treat them Messed? Not We how do YOU treat them?"
--LOL Now what did I do wrong?! What? When neocons talk about Iraq, they use "we" a lot. I read that "we" are winning a few dozens times per day on Propeller (even though the posts aren't originating in Iraq, as far as I know). Or "we" have to stay over there for one hundred years or until the job is done. I didn't hear "we" so much during Abu Ghraib or Blackwater incidents (it was just a "a few bad apples", I beiieve). And when billions of dollars went missing in Iraq, "we" weren't at fault. I can't figure you people out. ;-P
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
Look, as much as I have felt like pretending I'm from another country over the last 8 years (like the time when I was on vacation in Europe several years ago and was abruptly hustled away from a tourist site by my hosts because of anti-Bush sentiment at the time) I don't believe in saying "we" only when I'm proud of what my country is doing.
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nonparted4 months, 4 weeks ago
what do u mean about how blacks are treated. the black community has every opportunity as whites do as far as getting an education (primary & secondary) to better their life. whose fault is it that they would rather live off welfare, do and push drugs on young children in cities.
btw i thought church is for worshipping. why is politics even being discussed in a place of worship.
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HOUSEMD5 months, 1 week ago
Bothers me.Obama says he doesn't agree with everything his pastor says, but he did name his book after one of Wright's sermons "The Audacity Of Hope." He thanks his "spiritual leader" in the book as well. Obama has already publicly declared his affinity and affiliation with Pastor Wright, a hate-monger that is violent in his rhetoric.
True Obama isn't responsible for what the Reverend says but he is responsible for attending a church for 20 years. If being a member for 20 years doesn't show support for the Church and Pastor what does?
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tkyrchncs5 months, 1 week ago
Do you remember the Viet Nam era, BoBo? TONS of rhetoric against American policy from clergy of almost every denomination. And warnings that the Wrath of God would fall on us. I do somewhat agree that this church is his choice, as it is for many, but I have more than once disputed with my priest the contents of a sermon, and in the case of a very homophobic spiel told one that I would stand up in church and rebut him if it ever happened again. It is a bit different for me, being Catholic, as I have attended the same church for 50 yrs, and priests come and go at the whim of the bishop.
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TOD3965 months, 1 week ago
"Obama is no more responsible for what his pastor says than he's responsible for what his President says"
But Obama is responsible for who he sits in front of every Sunday. It is common sense that if your pastor speaks what this pastor did, you either call him on it, or you find a different pastor. Obama did neither, which signifies his agreement with what the pastor said.
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Candida5 months, 1 week ago
TOD396: "It is common sense that if your pastor speaks what this pastor did, you either call him on it, or you find a different pastor."
Do you agree with absolutely everything your pastor says, even those things you don't even hear? If not, how often have you called him on it?
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Jaydee405 months, 1 week ago
So it's support your country whether it's right or wrong? Blacks still fight an uphill battle but are called un-American if the cry foul? Look at how many Black fought and died for their country but never got the recognition they deserved. How many people here think if Katrina had of made land fall in New York or some other part of the country help would have arrived so much faster? After being treated a second class citizens from the time they were freed from slavery to the present times should they still say God bless America?
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tanglang5 months, 1 week ago
If Katrina had landed somewhere else help would have arrived much faster. There is no question about that. Although that has nothing to do with race, rather competency of the mayor and governor. They dropped the ball. Then the mayor played the race card to make it look like someone else was to blame.
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tkyrchncs5 months, 1 week ago
There is a HUGE difference between decrying the actions of some of your countrymen, or even most of them, and calling down the wrath of God on your country. What sort of a Christian would do this? What country has the largest number of middle-class, well-to-do, and rich black citizens? Have you seen the house this preacher lives in? How much money do you suppose HE gave to hurricane relief? Few blacks in America have spent more time fighting racism than I have, and I am white. Dissent is the sincerest kind of patriotism, but to shout GOD DAMN AMERICA from your pulpit goes beyond dissent. I do not believe our failure with Katrina was racist, I believe it was POLITICAL primarily and falls right into the same lap as the SECONDARY cause of having our National Guard out of the country when there is NO pressing military reason to do so.
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slate5 months, 1 week ago
I wonder, if TOD goes to Church, does his pastor talk like that? THe only other 'pastor' I've heard talk with that kinda hate is Louis Farikan.
Candida you can't compare not believing something a pastor says about the bible, or how he sees it,,,, but if the pastor rants against the nation,,,,, or other races,,, and you go back time and time and time and time again for 20 years,,,,,, that makes you complacent doesn't it?
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Jaydee405 months, 1 week ago
Ask the question is there nothing to what pastor Wright said? Much of what he said has factual information to back it up but it's still wrong to say it, why? 9/11 was because of Americas actions in other countries, it was reaping the whirlwind as they say. And the way America as a country treats minorities is shameful for a country claiming to be as advanced as it is. Now your belittling not only the pastor who is trying to see thing change but a man who attends his church for one reason alone, politics. But I don't think it's you don't like his politics, I just think you don't like the truth.
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Jaydee405 months, 1 week ago
No I don't see America as the good guy and haven't for longer than that, try 1945 when they killed two and a half million people just to prove a point. Many Americans sit around waving their flags thumping their chests hailing what a great country you are, while other see just how low the government is willing to go to keep power in the hands of a select few. Go back to Dwight D. Eisenhower's warning, why do you think he made that warning about the military complex? A US president doesn't warn his own country about a threat from within unless there is a real concern for his country. He knew that people in high places had a different vision for America and were getting restless with truly elected presidents. The two Kennedy assassinations still didn't wake you up because you were to busy watching TV with the Vietnam war and the Apollo program. Every time they get involved in foreign entanglements they stir up national patriotism and claim it's to protect your freedom. cont
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Jaydee405 months, 1 week ago
How has individual American freedoms ever been under threat since ww2? Cuba was a civil war that the US backed the wrong side in, bad choice, move on but instead your government made it worse by supporting invasions and attempts on Castro's life. So your government puts a spin
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