
Religion – A couple who prayed as their 11-year-old daughter died of untreated diabetes will be charged with second-degree reckless homicide, a prosecutor said Monday.
" The family believes in the Bible, which says healing comes from God, "
Sorry. Biased article. It's their personal interpretation, or their sect's interpretation that says healing comes from God and their interpretation that they shouldn't consult doctors. Most sane Christians embrace modern medicine, whether as a beautiful science or as a science gifted by the Holy Spirit.
What they did is criminal. The "conflict" arises when parents don't persue the typically available means possible to treat their underage child due to their negligent reliance on some nutjob telling them to interpret scripture in a certain way.
And if there (hypothetically speaking) *is* a god, then diabetes management is a healing regime that came from that being. And what a horrific way to die.
Time to stop cutting "church" so much slack. We see so many people die simply because they can't get a routine blood transfusion after an accident.
I do understand why the Chinese put "religious" people in mental hospitals to treat them for mental disorders, although I disagree with that practice, too. There has to be a better way.
"I do understand why the Chinese put "religious" people in mental hospitals to treat them for mental disorders, although I disagree with that practice, too. There has to be a better way."
This speaks more towards your insanity than theirs.
Can you honestly say that as you think of young girls being given to old men as s*x slaves, or young boys being taught that to strap on a bomb and blow themselves up will bring them glory in heaven, or women being barred from holding a job so they can feed their kids in countries where a state religion exists, so they are forced to eat maggot-ridden beans dumped by others or starve to death? And this child, dying a tortured death.
"Compassionate conservatives" is an interesting term to ponder.
I never like to celebrate the death of anyone. But I did like the idea of these people's lineage being stopped.
The rapture woman was hysterical. I remember that. What about the woman who said that the devil drove her car into people and crashed it while she was behind the wheel. I think she was listening to a little too much B-52's.
Midleft - these people remind me of the primitive people found in far off places who rely on some shaman in a drug induced trance to chant for them & save them from the evil spirits making them sick. Even the fanatical zealots like these parents look at these practices & deride them, while they themselves are doing it in the name of their God.
The innocent child is the victim of this insanity & her death
did nothing to change this. Vigorous prosecution of these parents might.
The prosecution could try to stretch it to Second Degree Murder, but that probably wouldn't sit too well with the jury even though the parents' conduct was indeed dangerous and since they refused to take their daughter to a doctor, they definitely lacked any concern for her life. Sometimes a prosecutor needs to be creative when charging imbeciles so that they can't continue such behavior especially since the father has said he would do it again.
Second Degree Murder is a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life.
very sad. i don't know why people forget that god can heal in many ways, through miracles, prayer, doctors, MEDICINE... hello!
should the parents be prosecuted? don't know... beyond my pay-grade... maybe child endangerment or recklessness... yeah that sounds right.
midleft, shame on you... happy that a child died. you should hope that NEVER happens to you.
Yep - these are probably the very same idiotic a-holes that march outside an abortion clinic calling THAT murder. Yet it's OK to effectively murder their own child. Sometimes I have a very difficult time believing just HOW freaking stupid some people can be.
And it's OK for them to murder people who work inside those abortion clinics. Remember when those fundamentalists blew up clinics? Better to spend your time protesting in front of an abortion clinic then spending time with your own kids. Or spending time volunteering to help the kids who are already here and unwanted rather than trying in vain to stop someone from bringing another unwanted child into this world.
As mean as many of you are, I see why people "turn to religion for answers". The reality is, where where the friends and family when these parents got soooo far off track with what they read and believed. They asked others to pray, noting their daughter was very sick. The police and state's attorney should have been called in at that time so a court order could have been obtained to treat the girl. Then DCFS should have stepped in to get the parents counseling. There are plenty of spiritual and religious counselors that teach while you can pray to whatever god/dess you want, doctors, nurses and health care providers are in fact our angels on earth and they are here to help. They graciously give their lifetimes to help us.
The question is not why are the parents such nut cases (we know that people get screwed up on earth, for whatever reason), but why is our society so judgmental and disparate that there was no one to step in and help them out. Diabetes does not happen overnight. It takes awhile for the body to stop producing insulin and for the sugar toxins to build up in the body. No one noticed she was becoming diabetic? There are pretty strong clues to that illness
I agree with the above comment, that these parents are not necessarily criminals, but we have let them down. How sad, very say.
The real question is would any of YOU call someone to step in when a child appeared to be in grave danger and how to you gentle explain to the parents how important it is to change their perspective.
If someone were mean and judgmental to you, would you change or listen? I think not.
Dionys: You obviously never studied law. Murder is the killing of a human being with malice. Malice includes not only intending the result, actual malice, but also acting with sufficient recklessness to make the result virtually inevitable, implied malice. The law gives both actual and implied malice the same legal effect. These parents may not have intended to cause their daughter's death, but their asinine beliefs coupled with their intentional refusal to submit her to medical treatment made her death a certainty. This qualifies as malice. Since the daughter died as a direct result of the parents' intentional and malicious acts, the death is a murder.
Poopypoop: what a wonderful world this would be if it were TOTALLY devoid of the worldwide cult of religion, especially Christianity. Let's see now, we have the FDLS and now this. Added to that are all the Christian nutjobs that want the US to be a theocracy. We'd all be better off without the religion of Christianity.
"Dionys: You obviously never studied law."
Fair enough. Go charge them with Murder.
"what a wonderful world this would be if it were TOTALLY devoid of the worldwide cult of religion, especially Christianity. Let's see now, we have the FDLS and now this. Added to that are all the Christian nutjobs that want the US to be a theocracy. We'd all be better off without the religion of Christianity."
Obviously you never studied religion, in particular Christianity.
No Newbie, it's just that, Christianity, like most other religions, have within them the inherent ability to descend to the homicidal idiocy we see here. Christianity, because it espouses worldwide conversion, is by necessity, a violent faith. As history shows, Christians had no hesitation to convert by the sword. Today, many professed Christians wish to subvert our secular society. Fundamentalist Christians number how many here? No Newbie, it's far more than just a "few" bad apples. This poor child's death is exactly what your faith brings.
I don't think this is a problem with Belief, per se, but rather with zealotry, which is an aggrandizement, let's call it, of religious or other impulse.
I had an aunt who was, though "born" Jewish, a Christian Scientist. She believed that if you said no to disease (and implicitly yes to god's creation of man in his own PERFECT image, which did not include sickness), you could "abort" illness.
At one point she refused medical treatment for pneumonia; after a week of this, my father called a rabbi, who came to talk to her and convinced her that her Jewishness trumped her Christian Science-ness, and that she should get treatment.
She believed and did. I found the ease with which she substituted one faith for another very instructive.
From today's Times:
"Cardinal Edward M. Egan said on Monday that former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani should not have received holy communion during the visit of Pope Benedict XVI because Mr. Giuliani supports abortion rights.
He said he would like to meet with Mr. Giuliani "to insist that he abide by our understanding" about not receiving communion...."
Ah the...malleability of Faith!
Another case of believers devaluing the one known life we have for the complete unknown. The child never had a chance. If these people have such belief in God why don't they believe he created the insulin to save her? She must have suffered horribly.
This is like Chuck Norris's belief that all illness comes from sin and that she was in fact demon-filled. Chuck, if there was a God why did he ever allow you to act?
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Now, the question becomes: where does a person's right to believe as they wish come into conflict with the right of the State to protect its citizens?
The moment that a human life is placed in harm's way, the state has an inherent right to intervene. In this case, the young girl should have been hospitalized and on a proper regimen long before the girl got sick. Religion, taken beyond its proper role, kills again.
"Now, the question becomes: where does a person's right to believe as they wish come into conflict with the right of the State to protect its citizens?"
When children - or anyone else - are placed in grave physical danger.
Guess they didn't pray hard enough.
i'm guessing you're being sarcastic but some religious people are wacko enough to say that.... their faith wasn't strong enough. cukoo land
I think that even though you are praying, you can't expect God to do EVERYTHING. He created us to be able to do for ourselves and gave us the sense to make medicine, cures, vaccines, etc. So it was dumb on the parents fault for not taking advantage of that. We have to do some of the work and God will take care of the rest. The parents were negligent and whatever happens happens.
Dissent, you guessed right.
thats a simple one to answer when its not your life your banking on, i mean come on thats like getting into a severe car accident and as your child is in the car dying or say burning to death your standing outside just praying, forget 911 or the ambulance you didnt call them cause you dont need them, you got prayer wooohooo