Religion – Wheaton College takes the Bible seriously: students and professors must sign a "covenant" pledging to lead their lives in accordance with Christian teaching.So when Kent Gramm, violated scriptures and skirted school rules, he had to go. Gramm was fired last month because he got a divorce.
"Let ye without sin cast the first stone."
But this brings up a question to any Bible scholar out there. It talks about if you get a divorce AND engage in sexual relations with a marriage or ex married person then you are comitting adultery but does it condemn divorce? Not that I know of.
You have answered your own question. Having sexual relations with a person who was once married is adultery, unless the ex part was caused by death. Some groups even consider that to be a non-starter.
So, according to some, if you were a 25 year old woman whose husband had died in a car accident and you remarried you would be committing adultery. Really.
I guess you know I believe in God and Jesus but some of the things I don't understand that are attempted to be force fed me with questions like this.
It is hard for me to imagine a loving God condemning a loving relationship or that matter in general a big chunch of the earths population that aren't Christian that act more "Christ-like" than many Christians I know.
Although in a non religous sense I wonder what people are thinking that get married 4-5 times.What's the point.But I do believe in family stability.
I do know that you believe and I respect your right to believe as you choose. I don't, so there you have that.
Some of the reasons I don't are for exactly what you mention. It is inconceivable to me that a loving God would condemn to hell two people that love each other, even if they are the same sex. It makes no sense to me and no I'm not homosexual, it just boggles my mind.
You might find this interesting. I wrote it a while back and it got some people pretty fired up:
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2007/06/21/...
I too believe in a stable family. I think it's very important to the children especially.
Thanks for the link if this dumb thing posts.My belief system is so complex and considered heretical by many Christians.But if I did know everything I'd be God so I ask.
But one thing I know as FACT, it's nice to discuss completely opposing views with respect and civility.:)
But as to the divorce question the way I read the Bible you can get divorced, remarry and have sex and that's OK.Don't make sense.Hey God, you've lost me on this one.:)
OOPs-Meant to say not have sex.It's things like this why I question Pauls writings.
You're welcome and don't forget to read the article.
I agree with you completely about civility and respect. It isn't always possible, but I enjoy it when it happens.
Deuteronomy or Leviticus? Hmmmm... I'll look into it.
I do not like much about Pauline Christianity.
I'm working on the article, prop is giving me fits today or it's aol.You've always been civil with me.:)
Anyway, my belief is in a loving God and Christs teachings but(except what I said above on faith)don't believe the Bible is an historical account although some may have happened.
A good one at Bible study is I'll ask "If God created Adam and Eve that way wouldn't incest have to occurred."Not being snyde, just seeking understanding.I just think many parts of the Bible are meant to make a point or were maybe written at the level people could understand at the time.
And I have much reading about the OT I'll admit.
And you with me.
I think that anyone who can help us understand ourselves better so that we can be better to our fellow human is a good person in my book.
The Bible, like the Koran, is a book, nothing more, nothing less.
It's actually even worse than incest, it's self love or masturbation. If we were created in that way we are all descended from Adam. Remember, Eve was created, in the second creation story, from the rib of Adam. Same DNA.
You know, it's funny to me that those who seem to be offended by this schools actions are the one's who are crying the loudest that no one else's religion be foisted upon them -- often claiming that each has the right to believe as they do -- like you, Bkumm -- and, yes, you're comments have been mild, but you can't convince me that you posted this article to show how great religious freedom is in this country!
I don't agree with this school's policies. I would not attend it nor work there, BUT (and I think this is HUGE), those who attend that school KNOW what they are signing up for. This guy signed a contract specifying that his personal life was on the table.
Just because we think it's intrusive, oppressive or even downright whacky, doesn't mean that they can't VOLUNTARILY sign on for such a lifestyle.
To have the gov't step in and say this is illegal discrimination, is a violation of their religious freedom, as well as right to assembly.
I do believe in freedom of religion and from religion.
I posted this story in a context, hence the title. There is a movie out there now called "Expelled" which speaks to a oft repeated lie that professors are being fired from their jobs because they speak out about either ID or creation. They use it in their classrooms and then are fired for it, so the movie asserts.
I posted this, because it shows the rampant hypocrisy of the movie. To whit, if it is not acceptable to fire someone for failing to teach within the guidelines of the subject they were hired to teach how can it possibly be acceptable to fire someone for failing to disclose that they do not accept the guidelines for their private lives that the school has set.
As to whether or not he broke his contract:
"The school has employed divorced professors in the past, but faculty members must explain the reason for their divorce to determine if it's allowable according to New Testament tenets."
I interpret that to mean the school hired a divorcee. In other words, the divorce happened before the hiring. This is a non-issue. It is about the rights of the employer. The employer required a behavior as terms of employment. The employee signed the paper as a condition of employment. The school has exercised their rights to terminate the relationship based on non-compliance of the conditions that were signed. The school is short-sighted, though by apparently losing a respected professor. That's not against the law.
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